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Dante's Back Issues

Posted By: Barb E

Dante's Back Issues - 11/08/14 05:54 PM

I think Dante may have this.

In a nutshell:
Tuesday - Dante jumped off my bed and screamed, holding up his right hind. He cried and cried and then suddenly stopped and trotted out of the bedroom and even "danced" for his dinner.

Wednesday - Dante would from time to time scream or cry but though moving a little odd wasn't holding up that leg. I took him to the vet where they did x-rays of knees, hips and spine. X-rays good, some Spondylosis, Determined it was a right knee slight tear.

Thursday - no crying no screaming

Friday - Day was good and then in the evening he went outside and as he went down the second step started to scream (loud enough the neighbor popped his head over the fence and asked if everything was ok). I simply talked to him and stroked his side...he stopped screaming and walked out in the yard and pee'd.

The ONLY time he holds that leg up is when he screams/cries. This morning he was out trotting through the yard, not a limp in sight, though as an almost 11 year old dog he doesn't move as fluidly as Kaos does!

Anyway, a few people on FB have suggested this does NOT sound like knee but like Cauda Equina and I have to agree.

For those of you that have faced this I have a couple of questions:

How did you get a definitive diagnosis?
What medications did you use?
Posted By: SeanRescueMom

Re: Cauda Equina-Help!! - 11/08/14 06:00 PM

Barb, I'm so sorry to hear the news about Dante. Sean had similar symptoms with arthritis but no experience here with Cauda. Thinking of both of you and sending lots of hugs. grouphug
Posted By: Barb E

Re: Cauda Equina-Help!! - 11/08/14 06:02 PM

Thank you, this is hard.

He's fine one moment and crying the next though he may go all day without crying
frown

I just need to figure out what I should do next about getting a Dx and then I can go from there.
Posted By: PositiveDog

Re: Cauda Equina-Help!! - 11/08/14 08:53 PM

Skye has done this just a couple of times. She has terrible arthritis in her spine and hips.

One time she stepped off her dog bed (maybe 3-4 inches) screamed, fell and kept screaming while drawing one of her back legs up. Scared me so bad.

Briefly once while going down steps and a couple of times just walking, stumbled and cried.

All those were very brief, except the first one.

I've never heard of Cauda Equina, so no help there, but now I'm going to look it up. I just wanted to let you know that Skye, also 11, is having similar problems. She has greatly slowed down the past six months.

It's sad and scary. frown
Posted By: MaxaLisa

Re: Cauda Equina-Help!! - 11/08/14 09:00 PM

Imaging is very deceptive when it comes to many spine issues, there are many things they cannot see, and some things they can see, but won't have a way to treat it.

http://www.grassmere-animal-hospital.com/cauda_equina.htm
http://www.greyhound-data.com/dir/397/Lumbosacral_Stenosis.pdf

But there can be a whole lot of different things wrong with the spine that can cause this stuff. I like to start with chiropractic evaluation first. Acupuncture, adequan, etc. my last go-to would be the shot described in Dr. Stack's article, because that is for a very particular spinal condition, and much of the time, the issue is more general.

I hope that you can find him relief soon!
Posted By: zyp

Re: Cauda Equina-Help!! - 11/09/14 02:53 AM

I know more about spinal problems in humans (me) than dogs, but if they react similarly, look up nerve paths.

good luck!
Posted By: Tara

Re: Cauda Equina-Help!! - 11/09/14 03:53 AM

Was a neuro exam done?
Posted By: Barb E

Re: Cauda Equina-Help!! - 11/09/14 04:30 AM

Thank you all.

I've decided I will call the vet tomorrow and ask for a referral to the neurologist.
I'll also go get a ramp tomorrow so I don't have to lift him in (He can't even put his front paws up).

I just took him out to potty, he's cried a few times this evening, most of the time right after getting up.

He knuckled on his right hind while we were outside frown
Posted By: Shepherds

Re: Cauda Equina-Help!! - 11/09/14 11:53 AM

Hi Barb, very sorry to read this about Dante.

Am just back from a weekend course, so will make a long story very short, but many many moons ago, vet suspected Levi had cauda equina. A trip to the mainland to see a specialist, finally (via a myelogram which knowing what I know now, would never ever repeat again) diagnosed a prolapsed disc causing all his issues.

So as the others have said, many things can cause Dantes symptoms, so I think a visit with a specialist is the first place to start.

hugging
Posted By: middleofnowhere

Re: Cauda Equina-Help!! - 11/09/14 03:34 PM

Barb,
When one of my dogs recently showed signs of back problems, I hunted up a chiro/accupuncture vet. We have one that comes out to even the smaller towns in central Oregon and she's quite good. After xrays (vets from AR would most likely have watched the dog & figured what was going on that way and maybe ordered xrays)we concluded what the issue was and moved on to treatment. It consisted of a series of lazer treatments and herbal remedies. While it wasn't an 100% fix, she's more comfortable and very very active. (she also gets occassional chiro adjustments and maybe a lazer treatment if she starts showing discomfort.)
Hope you find a good fix for Dante. My dog's symptoms showed up very quickly with a yelp at a certain leap and twist.
In the meantime - let's just wait for the vet to diagnose the issue rather than declaring some frightening term to worry yourself with. At any rate, I imagine you will be at the vet in a few hours. Best of luck with the visit and wishes for a speedy recovery. (and now I understand why you need the ramp ASAP.)
Posted By: Barb E

Re: Cauda Equina-Help!! - 11/09/14 04:12 PM

smile
Thanks all!
And you're all right, there are many things it could be but I'm glad someone did steer me in the direction of CES, that got me back to thinking back rather than knee.

He had a good night once he settles in he's fine. The hard part (for me) is that I will now not encourage him to get up and he's reluctant to. So when I leave this room he'll stay behind frown and I seem to have this need to have him glued to my side
Posted By: MaxaLisa

Re: Cauda Equina-Help!! - 11/09/14 04:41 PM

Don't know if I mentioned it anywhere, but tick disease, toxo, neospora might also be on the radar.

I understand how hard it is to not have your shadow too!
Posted By: BowWowMeow

Re: Cauda Equina-Help!! - 11/09/14 06:34 PM

Hi Barb,

So sorry that Dante is feeling this pain! Rafi has hurt his back twice. Both times he was in so much pain that he was shaking at times. frown The first time I was here and was able to take him the next morning to a chiropractor. He did laser therapy and that helped immensely. The second time was this past summer at the cottage. I had nowhere to take him so I did some energy work and was able to feel with my hands where the problem was and work that area. It was amazing how well that worked -- he was back to himself within hours. When I got home I took him in for acupuncture.

I think getting more testing done and seeing a specialist is great but don't be afraid to feel around quietly (feel for stuck energy which can be heat or tension in the muscle or even the fur) to try and figure out where the problem is. smile
Posted By: Braverhund

Re: Cauda Equina-Help!! - 11/09/14 07:16 PM

Barb, I am beaming positive healing vibes for your sweet Dante. peacesign I am so sorry you both are going through this. I'll be keeping your darling boy in my good thoughts and prayers! hugging
Posted By: Barb E

Re: Cauda Equina-Help!! - 11/10/14 02:34 PM

Thank you ladies smile

Last night's update:
Dante Update:
I talked to the vet this afternoon and he agreed that the next step should be for him to see a Neurologist.
So he's going to call and leave a message (They're closed on Sundays) and fax over Dante's blood work, radiologist report and his report and email the x-rays and I'm to call first thing in the morning.
I have my fingers crossed that he can be seen very soon. Dante seems less stable today on his right hind than before and he's also much much less active.
I however feel slightly better because I have my next step, I feel less helpless when I know there is action coming.
Thank you again everyone for your kind words, thoughts and assistance as I face this journey with my old man!
Posted By: Barb E

Re: Cauda Equina-Help!! - 11/11/14 01:11 AM

Neurologist appointment tomorrow at 11:00

wub
Taken just a bit ago


Posted By: PositiveDog

Re: Cauda Equina-Help!! - 11/11/14 02:05 AM

Dante! wub
Posted By: Woodreb

Re: Cauda Equina-Help!! - 11/11/14 03:32 AM

wub His coloring reminds me a bit of my old girl Rica.
Posted By: MaxaLisa

Re: Cauda Equina-Help!! - 11/11/14 03:48 AM

Hang in there Dante, hopefully they will figure this out soon!

Good luck tomorrow Barb!
Posted By: JulieM

Re: Cauda Equina-Help!! - 11/11/14 04:52 AM

Hello, Barb
I joined the forum because I read your post about cauda equina and wanted to chime in. I had a Husky who has it, same exact onset as your guy. I took him to the vet that night, and he did some manipulation which resulted in Mike not screaming every time he moved (thankfully), then we did ice, Rimadyl and crate rest for three days after which time he had improved and luckily never relapsed. I never sledded him after that, though, and that made him VERY unhappy. The vet told me long-backed dogs are prone (which makes sense). Mike did not have any neurological issues except for the pain, so we were very lucky.
Good luck!
Posted By: BowWowMeow

Re: Cauda Equina-Help!! - 11/11/14 05:18 AM


Good luck tomorrow, Barb and Dante! I'm glad you were able to get in so quickly! And thanks for sharing your experience, Julie!
Posted By: Mary Jane

Re: Cauda Equina-Help!! - 11/11/14 05:16 PM

Originally Posted By: MaxaLisa
Hang in there Dante, hopefully they will figure this out soon!

Good luck tomorrow Barb!


again
Posted By: Barb E

Re: Cauda Equina-Help!! - 11/11/14 11:34 PM

Thank you Julie for sharing your experience and welcome to the board, it's a great place!!!!!
Posted By: Barb E

Re: Cauda Equina-Help!! - 11/11/14 11:42 PM

So I'm home without Dante.
The Neurologist examined him, found his right quad to be very painful, Dante did flip his back paw upright but I noticed he wouldn't turn it all the way upside down. He did knuckle and have a very slow flip back the other night right after a loud cry out.

The vet went to get the x-rays off the CD and discovered that he needed to use a different program and at the same time someone came in with a paralyzed dog.
frown
So Dante's further Dx got put on the back burner, he did say he does think it's lower back.

They'll call me later after he's had a chance to review the x-rays (He also had 2 surgeries scheduled this afternoon) and we'll discuss further Dx needs.

A special doctor is coming though that door? Will he have food?

Posted By: Braverhund

Re: Cauda Equina-Help!! - 11/11/14 11:46 PM

grouphug Barb, many positive healing thoughts for Dante. Thank you for updating. grouphug
Posted By: MaxaLisa

Re: Cauda Equina-Help!! - 11/12/14 12:24 AM

Hope you hear from him soon....
Posted By: Woodreb

Re: Cauda Equina-Help!! - 11/12/14 01:10 AM

Sending good thoughts for Dante.
Posted By: Barb E

Re: Cauda Equina-Help!! - 11/12/14 01:19 AM

Dante Update:
I just brought him home. It seems they had another emergency after I left and the vet just wants to spend more time evaluating Dante and his x-rays.
So I'll take him and drop him off on Friday morning (I have an appointment Thursday afternoon and no one wants him to have to rush through this and the vet is off on Wednesdays).
He did start Dante on Gabapentin, 300 mg x2 a day.
I'll fast Dante again in case they want to do any imaging that needs sedation.
Not how I wanted it to go, but at the same time if I went in there with Dante paralyzed I'd want him to be top priority!!

He's happy to be home, already sacked out in the living room.

Thank you all again for your kindness, advice, thoughts, well all of it.
I truly find it all helpful!
hugging
Posted By: PositiveDog

Re: Cauda Equina-Help!! - 11/12/14 02:03 AM

You've both been on my mind. I wish you knew more, but emergencies do happen as you said.

I love that picture taken from behind Dante. smile I've never thought to do that.

Hopefully Dante will be more comfortable until Friday with his new meds. Thank you for the updates. hugging
Posted By: BowWowMeow

Re: Cauda Equina-Help!! - 11/12/14 03:10 AM

Sending all good thoughts to you and Dante, Barb! Sorry that you weren't able to get answers today... hugging
Posted By: Barb E

Re: Cauda Equina-Help!! - 11/12/14 08:52 PM

Update:
As of this morning Dante got his second dose of Gabapentin and it's obviously helping.

He has not cried at all today, he brought me the Nylabone this morning when I got up and just now while outside he brought me a stick (which I of course did not throw for him rofl ).
If he continues to improve I may have to restrict him to on leash outside which I haven't had to do previously as he was doing it himself.

He does still sleep a lot, he's curled up now on his bed after our short time outside but I can deal with this so much better than how he has been.

His gait is still off, there is obviously something off with the right hind side.

wub
Posted By: Barb E

Re: Cauda Equina-Help!! - 11/13/14 02:31 AM

Dante just trotted around the yard with a limb in his mouth (been really windy here the last couple of days, nothing huge has come down but lots of branches off my Dawn Redwood laying around my backyard).

Don't get me wrong, I know there is something seriously wrong with him still but it is SO GOOD to see the light back in his eyes!!!
Posted By: MaxaLisa

Re: Cauda Equina-Help!! - 11/13/14 02:55 AM

I am glad that he is feeling better! I would be very careful about allowing so much movement though. If this is serious enough, there are some conditions where this could make things worse, and the pain meds are just masking things. If this is just a misalignment, then the movement, With the pain removed, isn't nearly as dangerous. That he is able to move with the pain masked is definitely a good sign though!
Posted By: Barb E

Re: Cauda Equina-Help!! - 11/13/14 03:15 AM

I broke the news to him just now that from now on he goes outside on leash, he wasn't happy smile
Posted By: MaxaLisa

Re: Cauda Equina-Help!! - 11/14/14 05:08 AM

Hang in there Dante! Good luck at your appt tomorrow!
Posted By: arycrest

Re: Cauda Equina-Help!! - 11/14/14 10:00 AM

Thinking of you and Dante ... glad to hear the Gabapentin is helping him!!! Hope all goes well with his appointment!!!
Posted By: PositiveDog

Re: Cauda Equina-Help!! - 11/14/14 11:30 AM

Sending good thoughts for Dante's appointment today. So glad his week has been better for him.

hugging
Posted By: Barb E

Re: Cauda Equina-Help!! - 11/14/14 03:39 PM

Thanks all, just getting ready to take him and drop him off. We don't have an appointment today, Dr Skinner is going to do his evaluation as time allows.

Dante lost his footing in the kitchen last night and held up the right hind for a bit but didn't scream or cry.

I got a great suggestion on FB to get Yoga mats to make a walkway across the kitchen to the back door so I'll be shopping for those this weekend.
Posted By: Kayos

Re: Cauda Equina-Help!! - 11/14/14 03:40 PM

Barb, some folks make a little bootie out of vet wrap too. It lasts 4 or 5 days.

Hope to hear some good news this evening.
Posted By: Barb E

Re: Cauda Equina-Help!! - 11/14/14 03:47 PM

Well I guess we're not leaving quite yet.
The back of the Explorer is frozen shut!

I can't even turn the handle to open the back hatch so I have it running and locked up with the heat turned on full blast. Hopefully this won't take too long!

Thanks for the tip Kathy!!!
Posted By: middleofnowhere

Re: Cauda Equina-Help!! - 11/14/14 03:53 PM

Barb - Get out your hair dryer. That will thaw you out. Lots of experience with this crap here. At least your door lock (if your car still has them) wasn't frozen shut.
Posted By: MaxaLisa

Re: Cauda Equina-Help!! - 11/14/14 04:03 PM

Lol, I bet that was lori with the yoga mats smile

Hope you thaw out soon, wow!
Posted By: Barb E

Re: Cauda Equina-Help!! - 11/14/14 04:04 PM

smile I don't own a blow dryer!!

It's tough with weather like the ice/freezing rain/etc we got yesterday and last night. If I had turned the Explorer around to protect the back then the front doors probably would have been frozen shut.

Maybe someday I'll own a house with a garage?
smile
Posted By: Barb E

Re: Cauda Equina-Help!! - 11/14/14 04:29 PM

Yes it was Lori with the Yoga mats!

It thawed and Dante is dropped off.
It's not been the best morning for Dante, more pain than since he started on the Gabapentin.

He also walked into the waiting room and promptly pooped blush
We had been outside several times this morning and he just wouldn't poop...I guess he told us what he thinks of all of this rofl

Now it's just wait...
Posted By: MaxaLisa

Re: Cauda Equina-Help!! - 11/14/14 04:33 PM

Poppp problems come with spine problems too, so I'm sure they are used to that there!

If things were bad enough for him to knuckle, then the meds were just masking pain and not improving anything, and something is very wrong. Usually they recommend an antiinflammatory and strict rest - maybe if they are thinking more diagnostics, they may not have wanted to alter things. Even a chiro will do this too, because it's hard to adjust if there is a lot of inflammation. But it can be a catch 22, becaause if the dog is not walking because there is a misalignment or bulging disk, then they need an adjustment to help interfere with the inflammatory process.
Posted By: middleofnowhere

Re: Cauda Equina-Help!! - 11/14/14 06:20 PM

Yeah yoga matts would work well. So would carpet runners.

Glad you got the boy in. While you are out buying yoga matts, get a cheap blow dryer. They work for all sorts of things besides one's hair.

You might, on the other hand, not be doing much shopping this weekend. I had to laugh at the forcast of continued snow here with 2 to 3 inches accumulation. I have 8 or more inches now. I thought that was accumulation???? I think I'm staying home instead of driving to the valley on Saturday.
Posted By: Barb E

Re: Cauda Equina-Help!! - 11/14/14 08:06 PM

We're going to be clear and cold (For us cold) highs in the 40's and lows in the 20's for the next few days.
I do hope it finishes drying up out there so there aren't any icy patches on the roads though!!
Posted By: PositiveDog

Re: Cauda Equina-Help!! - 11/14/14 11:46 PM

Barb, just in case you might be interested..Muttluk now has some nice socks for indoors.

They are supposed to as grippy as needed and not twist or fall off easily.

I ordered Buddy a set and should have them Monday of Tuesday. I'll probably test them on Skye, too.

Relatively inexpensive, too.

Here's a link.

http://www.muttluks.com/product_home.php?cat=15
Posted By: Barb E

Re: Cauda Equina-Help!! - 11/15/14 01:24 AM

Oh thanks Bonnie for the tip!!

Just got Dante home.

Today was really a continuation of the previous appointment without me there so no further imagining was done today.
He no longer got a pain response from the quad muscle but consistently got one in the Lumbar region. As I kind of expected there was nothing on the x-ray to note other than the fact his hips and knees look great.

I take him back on Monday for a Electromyogram (I think that is what it is called, testing nerves down the back legs for response, Dante is more down on his hocks these days not sure if it's related or not or how long it's been that way to be honest) and a Myelogram.

I wub this dog, please let this be something that can be fixed!
Oh and they did not charge me for today
Posted By: middleofnowhere

Re: Cauda Equina-Help!! - 11/15/14 03:41 PM

Well, good karma on the bill so I'd take that as a good sign. Wishing Dante the best.
Posted By: SeanRescueMom

Re: Cauda Equina-Help!! - 11/15/14 03:41 PM

Thinking of you, fingers crossed for Dante. crossedfingers Yoga mats are a great idea, wish I'd thought of that for Sean. Will be anxious to hear about the results from the tests on Monday.
Posted By: MaxaLisa

Re: Cauda Equina-Help!! - 11/15/14 09:49 PM

Being down on the hocks is often a response to pain, and also breakdown of some of the structures.

Good luck with the test on monday.
Posted By: Braverhund

Re: Cauda Equina-Help!! - 11/15/14 10:43 PM

Lots of positive vibes flowing out for Dante. butterfly Hoping Monday's test goes well! hugging
Posted By: Barb E

Re: Cauda Equina-Help!! - 11/16/14 02:47 AM

Thanks all.
Dante's had a good day today
smile

I slept on the couch last night, had an overwhelming need to be able to touch him at any given moment.

Tonight I can sleep in my bed
smile
Posted By: Shepherds

Re: Cauda Equina-Help!! - 11/16/14 11:00 AM

Wishing good thoughts for Dante and that answers are found very soon.

I have been away on yet another course and it's late am I'm tired and not thinking clearly but thought I saw you mention a myelogram???

Did I get that right? Have they talked through the myelogram with you? Whilst I don't want to alarm you, they do come with risks and are very hard on the dog. Not sure what options are available to you, but having been through one with Levi, it's not something I would want to repeat again. Happy to give you more info if needed......But I may have read it all wrong...
Posted By: Barb E

Re: Cauda Equina-Help!! - 11/16/14 01:35 PM

You did read that right.

I've weighed the options, talked to the vet and to others and this is, at this point, the best next step for Dante.

I know it's risky and for some not great but I've decided that the potential information that will come from it is worth the risks.

smile Thank you for sharing, it's important that we all do that!!
Posted By: Braverhund

Re: Cauda Equina-Help!! - 11/16/14 05:08 PM

For you and for Dante, I am wishing the very best. hugging hugging hugging
Posted By: Barb E

Re: Cauda Equina-Help!! - 11/16/14 05:32 PM

Originally Posted By: Shepherds
Happy to give you more info if needed......But I may have read it all wrong...


Thought about this more, I'm moving forward with the Myelogram, but could you share what happened for others that may read this at a later time?
smile
Posted By: MaxaLisa

Re: Cauda Equina-Help!! - 11/16/14 07:05 PM

Isn't an Electromyogram different from a myelogram? One is an electric nerve conduction test with needles and conductors, which, I think, just tests which nerves are affected and how, and the other involves dye and either an xray or MRI type scan?

ETA: I've heard of a number of dogs that had problems with the myelogram, it's very difficult on a dog. I am not so ure the myogram is very diagnostic - ex had one done for problems with his wrist which basically told him that he had nerve impingement (duh). I'm hoping that this will yield more answers for dante since I don't know a lot about the test and hoping it's more robust than I'm aware of.
Posted By: Kayos

Re: Cauda Equina-Help!! - 11/16/14 07:07 PM

Keeping paws crossed fro Dante tomorrow. May there be some answers and fixable things for you guys.
Posted By: MaxaLisa

Re: Cauda Equina-Help!! - 11/16/14 08:18 PM

EMG info:
http://vetneuromuscular.ucsd.edu/cases/2004/feb04.html
http://vetneuromuscular.ucsd.edu/cases/2004/aug04.html
Posted By: Shepherds

Re: Cauda Equina-Help!! - 11/16/14 09:03 PM

Lisa, Barb E mentioned both the electric and normal myelogram.

Levi had the highest pain threshold of any dog I've ever owned. As an example This is a dog who ripped the pads off every single foot playing with kids and a football, yet refused to stop playing until I put him in the car and took him home for his own personal safety.

Anyway, whilst yes the myelogram was the tool that did diagnose the issue (it was the pictures taken from the belly upwards that showed the problem) whereas all previous X-rays etc didn't show anything, the impact on him was significant and took weeks for him to get over. At the time he was a very young (just over 12 months) and in all other aspects a fit healthy, young dog.

Anyway, as most people know a myelogram involves dye injected into the spinal canal. In Levi's case the additional pressure that injecting the dye caused, affected his mobility and caused further significant pain, dogs can seize/fit as they come out of the procedure and become quite aggressive and very distressed.

Levi unfortunately got his foot tangled in a blanket as he was coming out of the test (and with him I can categorically state he did not have an aggressive bone in his body...he was the one dog I would trust a 100% to do anything with), anyway the specialists called me to come and remove the blanket as he was very unhappy and showing significant signs of aggression and they did not want to distress him any further. The specialist said, he knew he was not an aggressive dog, because of all the preliminary work we had done, but that unfortunately the myelogram can cause short term behavioural issues.

I will never forget, when they took me down to him, he had obviously been throwing himself about as the blanket was quite tight around his rear leg, when they opened the crate he practically fell out into my arms and he was sobbing, he had also lost all the skin off his nose. I removed the blanket (had to cut it away) and at that point he was beside himself. I sat with him and it took a good hour to calm him.

He had to stay there over night to be monitored (We had to fly to the mainland to see these specialists). The next day he was still very wonky on his rear end, they wanted to keep him another day, however a very dear friend seeing the mess he was in, completely over ruled her non dog loving husband and insisted that I take him to her place and nurse him there...it took three days for him to be well enough for the flight home...and about a full week for him to fully regain his normal mobility. The specialists did say it would take up to two weeks for his body to absorb and deal with the dye put into his body.

Levis specialist did run through the procedure with me beforehand, but I was not fully prepared for the outcome of it on him.....nor did I fully understand the risks. That was 13 years ago and things have changed a lot since then.

I hope Barb E the electric myelogram does the trick and you get your answers.

Will be thinking of you and Dante.

hugging
Posted By: MaxaLisa

Re: Cauda Equina-Help!! - 11/16/14 10:14 PM

Marie, apparently I need to work on my reading comprehension! Thanks for catching that. Also thank you for relaying all of that, it sounds like a terrible experience. When indy was sick, I heard from a number of people whose dogs had a terrible time with just the MRI. I couldn't afford one at the time, but one of the ER clinics that I visited said that honestly she was too sick for it. However, jazz here is still at rik for having a chiari-like malformation, o I think about these types of testing a lot. Sleachy' Tooz, I believe, had a seizure after the mri and spinal tap, but turned out he had 2 tbd's and toxo, none of which showed up on the neuro tests. But then there are the flip sides where they find some weird cyst or something.

Spine problems are so difficult because not only are the diagnostics tricky, you really have to ask how much will this test affect the actual treatment too. That's where a good neuro should be worth their weight in gold. With jazz's IMS, he is very good about telling me, which tests he's love to have but they won't affect the plan of of treatment, versus which ones will have a direct benefit for jazz.

Definitely will be keeping good thoughts for Dante. I've fought known diseases and unknown diseases, and it's always easier to know.
Posted By: Brooklyn

Re: Cauda Equina-Help!! - 11/16/14 10:56 PM

Hope all goes well for Dante tomorrow.











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Posted By: Shepherds

Re: Cauda Equina-Help!! - 11/16/14 11:19 PM

Yes agree Lisa, it's easier to know what you are dealing with and spinal issues are very tricky.

In Levi's case the Specialist advised to take him home as the risks of surgery to relieve the disc based on his symptoms were not warranted (paralysis etc). Their view was to take him home and if he deteriorated then it would require surgical intervention,

At that time I had a young dog, who could not jump, was in pain, starting to show neurological impact (wearing of nails and slight drag in hindquarters) who was to be restricted to low level activity only. No running, playing and controlled lead walking only. Far from ideal.

I found a human chiro who We worked with for six months (they use an activator as opposed to physical manipulation) and treatments from her along with homework (massaging specific areas based on what she found) and eventually we were successful in reversing his condition. Levi went on get his breed survey and back to competing in the show ring. We were very lucky. And that was when my interest in the "alternative" began.
Posted By: MaxaLisa

Re: Cauda Equina-Help!! - 11/16/14 11:55 PM

Ahhh, so Levi was *that* dog. Indy was that dog for me, the one where I had to learn about alternatives because there wa no other way. I was deathly afraid of chiropractic, but it was her only hope at the time. Now, it's essentially my first stop, along with other alternatives. VOM, which is a form of fascial release, works very well for jazz, but I have to keep her from actually adjuting, ince I have a chiro for that for jazz. Used to have a Bowen person that would alo work on the dogs when I brought them with me. Sure wish you were around here to work on Jazz smile
Posted By: Barb E

Re: Cauda Equina-Help!! - 11/17/14 02:07 PM

Thank you for sharing, man what a time you two had!
I have everything crossed that Dante's won't be so bad!

He's a little miffed right now because of course he got no breakfast!

I take him in a couple of hours

And yes, he is having both the EMG (since he's knuckling from time to time and a little down in his hocks) and the Myelogram.
Posted By: Wisc.Tiger_Val

Re: Cauda Equina-Help!! - 11/17/14 03:06 PM

Sending good vibes to Dante.
Posted By: MaxaLisa

Re: Cauda Equina-Help!! - 11/17/14 04:27 PM

Here's wishing the testing is uneventful and that it brings answers that are eaily managed crossedfingers
Posted By: Barb E

Re: Cauda Equina-Help!! - 11/17/14 04:41 PM

Just dropped Dante off.

I approved surgery in advance if it is deemed necessary.
I know this is not the route many take but I really like and trust this vet.

Now I have to figure out a way to stay focused on work...sadly I'm not real busy today.
Posted By: PositiveDog

Re: Cauda Equina-Help!! - 11/17/14 06:23 PM

You and Dante are on my mind. I hope all goes well for him.
Posted By: Mary Jane

Re: Cauda Equina-Help!! - 11/17/14 07:20 PM

crossedfingers
Posted By: Shepherds

Re: Cauda Equina-Help!! - 11/17/14 07:41 PM

Will be thinking of you both today....hugging

I some how think, even if it was busy for you, there wouldn't be much getting done smile I'm useless when it comes to sitting at work at looking/keeping busy when waiting on vet test results or them to come through surgical procedures.

The whole world seems to grind to a halt. We need a distraction for you.

hugging

And yes Lisa, Levi was 'that' dog smile
Posted By: Barb E

Re: Cauda Equina-Help!! - 11/17/14 10:39 PM

impatient pacing

He does his appointments in the morning and tests/surgeries in the afternoon so I won't hear from him for a while yet.

I got this [_] much done today paranoid2 no one tell my boss...
Posted By: SeanRescueMom

Re: Cauda Equina-Help!! - 11/18/14 01:42 AM

Thinking of both of you. hugging
Posted By: Barb E

Re: Cauda Equina-Help!! - 11/18/14 02:27 AM

Dante's EMG results showed delay, he took a nerve/muscle biopsy.
Rather than the Myelogram he chose to do a CT scan, nothing hugely obvious, he will sit down tomorrow with all of it and we'll go from there.
Posted By: Shepherds

Re: Cauda Equina-Help!! - 11/18/14 04:03 AM

Thank you for the update. Does Dante get to come home today, or are they keeping him in for observation?
Posted By: Barb E

Re: Cauda Equina-Help!! - 11/18/14 01:36 PM

They kept him over night, Kaos and I are missing him!!!
Posted By: Barb E

Re: Cauda Equina-Help!! - 11/18/14 01:37 PM

And now that I'm thinking more about the conversation there was something about pressure, I was driving when he called with no opportunity to pull over!
Posted By: MaxaLisa

Re: Cauda Equina-Help!! - 11/18/14 04:42 PM

Overall this is good news. But you'll have to put a plan together now to see what can relieve his symptoms and pain. The neuro, most likely, is not a believer in chiropractic, so you'll have to weigh that decision on your own. He might believe in acu, that seems to be more variable. My own opinion is if there are issues big enough to cause these symptoms and pain, acu is not sufficient, but that's just my opinion.
Posted By: Barb E

Re: Cauda Equina-Help!! - 11/19/14 02:29 AM

Dante Update:
The boy is home
The CT was not definitive but showed what may be some pressure on the spinal column in the area he's showing pain.
The nerve and muscle biopsy won't be back until next week, he said that could be causing pain though it would be unusual he can't rule it out.
He has a bad ear infection he started holding his right ear oddly on Sunday so I asked he look at it when I dropped him off yesterday, we have drops for that and he sent a culture off.
We go back in a week for a follow up, until then it's as it has been, keep him as quiet as possible and on him
Poor dog though, so not only does he have the pain that started this whole thing but now he has pain from the biopsies as well
I'll be sleeping on the couch at least tonight, I don't have a lampshade collar for him (the other types never worked for him) and I forgot to ask for one when I was there.
Good to have my old man home!!
Posted By: Shepherds

Re: Cauda Equina-Help!! - 11/19/14 05:14 AM

So glad he is home. He will feel much beter now that he is back in his own surrounds.

Any clues as to what is causing the pressure? Did he the specialist discuss acupuncture or anything...or is the approach just sit and wait the test results?
Posted By: Barb E

Re: Cauda Equina-Help!! - 11/19/14 02:04 PM

At this point yes, waiting for results and keeping a close eye on him.

I need to catch my breath, Dante won't yet use the ramp so he needs a break from being lifted in and out of the car and need time to get the ear infection handled.

He slept very well last night in front of the couch, I caught him a couple times licking the front leg where the IV was but never once licking the back leg where the biopsies were done.

We've done a stroll around the yard, turned him loose in the yard, Gabapentin, Baytril ear drops and breakfast.

He's snoozing on his bed. smile
Posted By: Barb E

Re: Cauda Equina-Help!! - 11/19/14 02:33 PM

Oh and the Neurologist gave me his personal cell phone number should I need to talk to him outside of his office hours
smile
Posted By: Mary Jane

Re: Cauda Equina-Help!! - 11/19/14 02:40 PM

Sending plenty of positive thoughts that Dante recovers from his exams quickly and that his underlying condition can be treated.

sleeping is good for both of you.

MJ
Posted By: MaxaLisa

Re: Cauda Equina-Help!! - 11/19/14 04:26 PM

Originally Posted By: Barb E
At this point yes, waiting for results and keeping a close eye on him. ...

What do they think is causing the presure then?
Posted By: Barb E

Re: Cauda Equina-Help!! - 11/20/14 01:28 AM

He didn't go into specifics and I didn't ask since he won't make a diagnosis without the biopsy results.

Today it seems his ear is bothering him the most
frown
Posted By: MaxaLisa

Re: Cauda Equina-Help!! - 11/21/14 04:50 AM

Oh, how frustrating not to know! I misread how you answered the above, and thought that he had given you some indication. I hate waiting.

Sure hope that ear clears up quickly. You might want to follow it up with some zymox?
Posted By: Barb E

Re: Cauda Equina-Help!! - 11/22/14 06:26 PM

Quick Dante Update
He is a much happier dog (except the ear infection) than he was before.

We've had this game we've played since he was a pup where he would bring me a stick from the yard and I would kick it for him. When this all started he had no interest in games of any sorts.

We just spent a few minutes playing the kick the stick game, though I really just rolled it a few inches to him but he was obviously very happy to play!

He has a little trouble with the right hind leg, the vet said to expect this because of the nerve biopsy so I'm not concerned with that.
I am still sleeping on the couch with him, well he's on the floor I'm on the couch, and he's come to expect this now. As soon as I bring his bed out of the study and to the living room he lays right down on it.

I feel better about all of this now though I am anxious for the biopsy results.

We have a follow up appointment scheduled for Tuesday. The vet called me each day this week to check on him, even Wednesday which is his day off. I told him yesterday he didn't need to call me this weekend and he reiterated the fact that I have his cell and to not hesitate to call if I need to (the office is closed on weekends).

So there you have it.

smile
Posted By: PositiveDog

Re: Cauda Equina-Help!! - 11/22/14 08:07 PM

What a great update today.

Kick the stick. Funny how such a simple game can mean so much, right?

Holding positive thoughts for the biopsy and even more improvements.

gsdsit
Posted By: MaxaLisa

Re: Cauda Equina-Help!! - 11/22/14 08:17 PM

Baytril has some anti-inflammatory action, and he may be absorbing some of it systemically through the ear meds, though maybe not. He probably is also feeling better getting that ear treated - so glad he is feeling better, because that's the bottom line!
Posted By: Barb E

Re: Cauda Equina-Help!! - 11/24/14 08:37 PM

smile
Thanks Lisa

Sleepy Work From Home Day Dog
Posted By: PositiveDog

Re: Cauda Equina-Help!! - 11/24/14 09:56 PM

Beautiful boy. wub
Posted By: Barb E

Re: Cauda Equina-Help!! - 11/25/14 09:03 PM

Update:
The biopsy results are not yet back so we still don't have an answer.
He showed pain response in his lower back, though at first it was a little tough to tell since he hadn't stopped making noise since we walked in!

The ear infection is Staph, guess it's a good thing I've been washing my hands like a crazy woman, I'm supposed to take my Humira (Immune Suppressant) shot today but I think I'll put it off a week just in case! Last thing I need is Staph, though I am only assuming I could get it if not cautious...

We have a follow-up appointment in 2 weeks, he'll call when he gets the biopsy results.

We've been cleared for walks, though I think I'll probably just stick with in the yard or perhaps a block lap just in case I end up needing to carry him!! Oh and he's gained 2 pounds
Dante is MUCH happier than he was a couple of weeks ago, I'm actually fine in this holding pattern for now. He's responding very well to the Gabapentin, he's happy and content.

Last night we had a little Kaos/Dante time with Kaos on leash in the house. Still going to have to be very careful, both were so excited that it could easily get out of control rofl
wub my dogs!

Posted By: Barb E

Re: Cauda Equina-Help!! - 11/25/14 09:53 PM

What have you done to me???
Posted By: Braverhund

Re: Cauda Equina-Help!! - 11/25/14 10:25 PM

I am so happy Dante seems to feel better. I'm glad you were cleared for walks again! I continue to send well-wishes for your dear, sweet Dante. May he do better and better. Hoping for good results when the biopsy returns. crossedfingers
Posted By: Shepherds

Re: Cauda Equina-Help!! - 11/26/14 01:11 AM

Beautiful boy wub - the oldies are just so very precious.
Posted By: Kayos

Re: Cauda Equina-Help!! - 11/26/14 10:13 PM

Poor boy!
Posted By: Barb E

Re: Cauda Equina-Help!! - 12/03/14 02:35 AM

It seems putting on the collar just for a picture was enough since Dante quit licking the paw where the IV was rofl


Met with the Neurologist today, Dante is presenting with clinical symptoms that just don't always make sense or one points in one direction and another in a different direction.

The biopsies came back showing a minimal amount of change, he was surprised, he was really expecting that to be our answer.
Dante has gotten worse the last few days, using his hind leg very little, though he continues to appear to be pain free with the Gabapentin. That hind leg is also doing a very odd jerk/extension thing, luckily I was able to capture it on video so he could see it. I have noticed the last 24 hours that there is less of that.

I left Dante with him most of the day today, he went over him carefully again looking for pain responses, movement difficulties, etc and also reviewed all the tests/images/etc again.

The decision now is to go ahead and get an MRI.

I'm tired (still sleeping on the couch), stressed, don't feel great and had a number of cry fests today, but Dante is home with me tonight and that's what matters!

The Neurologist is going to set up the MRI and let me know when to be there (That is one imaging he does not have at his practice), hopefully this week since I'm off work.
I'm not sure if this is the way specialists are but I have not been charged for any of the visits other than the first and the day he was there for all the imaging, biopsies, etc.
Posted By: MaxaLisa

Re: Cauda Equina-Help!! - 12/03/14 02:53 AM

I guess I thought they did the MRI, more testing is not fun. I'm sure here you would be charged for the visits!

Glad he is home with you.
Posted By: PositiveDog

Re: Cauda Equina-Help!! - 12/03/14 03:19 AM

Dante. hugging

I so hope you get some good news soon. So glad you are seeing the specialists. They sound very caring.
Posted By: Barb E

Re: Dante's Back Issues - 12/03/14 03:26 AM

They did a CT Scan

If only I could build a giant cage around my bed so I could lift him up on it and then not worry that he would decide he needed to get off...we both could get a good night's sleep!

Tomorrow I'm going to go to Goodwill and see if I can find more Yoga mats and make a walkway to beside the bed. I'll then make my bed backwards (I have a huge wire crate as my nightstand from when Kaos was a puppy), that way I can have him sleep where I can still reach down and touch him.

Though as tired as I am I may not move off the couch all day!
Posted By: MaxaLisa

Re: Dante's Back Issues - 12/03/14 03:30 AM

Well, phooey, I got my CT and MRI confused, I'm sorry frown hugging
Posted By: Barb E

Re: Dante's Back Issues - 12/03/14 11:01 PM

smile
MRI Friday, Dante is first up in the machine

We played a bit of Find It with a twig in the back yard, his tail was wagging which made me smile, he's not been doing much of that lately!
Posted By: mspiker03

Re: Dante's Back Issues - 12/04/14 09:54 PM

Good luck tomorrow. Hope you find some answers!
Posted By: Wisc.Tiger_Val

Re: Dante's Back Issues - 12/04/14 11:04 PM

Sending Dante some good vibes.
Posted By: PositiveDog

Re: Dante's Back Issues - 12/05/14 01:07 AM

I hope Dante's appointment went well.

crossedfingers
Posted By: MaxaLisa

Re: Dante's Back Issues - 12/05/14 06:46 AM

Good luck!
Posted By: arycrest

Re: Dante's Back Issues - 12/05/14 01:47 PM

Wishing you and Dante my best!!!
Posted By: Barb E

Re: Dante's Back Issues - 12/05/14 01:56 PM

Thanks all!
Dante is a little ticked off since he gets no breakfast this morning!

I have everything crossed that this will give us answers and a direction
Posted By: Mary Jane

Re: Dante's Back Issues - 12/05/14 04:23 PM

It's only 8:30 in Portland-I guess Dante's inside now. crossedfingers
Posted By: Barb E

Re: Dante's Back Issues - 12/05/14 05:20 PM

Vet just called, Dante is headed into the machine
Posted By: arycrest

Re: Dante's Back Issues - 12/05/14 09:29 PM

hugging Sending positive vibes to both you and Dante and a few hugs too!!! hugging
Posted By: Barb E

Re: Dante's Back Issues - 12/05/14 10:36 PM

We're home, Dante is snoozing on his bed.

I took a quick scan of the images on the CD but a Radiologist report was not included (I've noticed in my imaging that sometimes one is and sometimes one isn't).
I'll drop the CD off with the Neurologist this afternoon...and I wait some more.
smile

FYI to Mac Peeps - I use a software called OsiriX to view image CDs. ( http://www.osirix-viewer.com/ ) I found after one of mine that with a Mac they didn't just pop up on my computer like they do for PCs. Oh and I use the free version.
Posted By: Barb E

Re: Dante's Back Issues - 12/06/14 02:43 AM

When I went to drop off the CD turns out they had already called the neurologist, Dante is scheduled for surgery Tuesday for a ruptured disc
Posted By: middleofnowhere

Re: Dante's Back Issues - 12/06/14 03:43 AM

So you have your answer as what was wrong. What outcome do they expect from surgery?
Posted By: Barb E

Re: Dante's Back Issues - 12/06/14 04:09 PM

I only talked to the Neurologist briefly, he was actually on his way in to a surgery and wasn't able to come out and talk to me face to face (we talked on their phone system).
I'll call them Monday morning and ask him to call me, or set up a time for me to come in and have a real conversation.

I thought about this a lot last night after I had time to settle with the news and decided this is my only option. Well the other option would be to euthanize and I'm not taking that as an option.

I will simply hope for the very best outcome.

Talking to the receptionist yesterday, his stay will probably be 4ish days. Since I'm pretending I'm made of money my plan is to take Kaos in to be spayed when he is scheduled to come home and then I will board her at the vet for a week to 10 days which not only allows me time with just Dante but also means I don't have to deal with her recovery smile two birds...

Dante seems to be a little sluggish still from the general, he didn't eat last night and I had to coax him to eat this morning, but he did eat.
Posted By: TimberWolf

Re: Dante's Back Issues - 12/06/14 05:33 PM

My goodness, how did I miss this thread? Barb, my thoughts and well wishes are with you and Dante. What stressful situation. I am glad you now know what the problem is and hope this procedure will fix the issue and give Dante many more quality filled years. I so feel for you because I know you are already going through other health issues with yourself and now this on top of that. I hope you have a good circle of friends who support you and take you away from all of this by going out or something.

I am so very sorry poor Dante has to go through this. It's so hard when they can't really communicate. I am so glad he has you. He is such a handsome boy. I love the name "Dante". It is a strong name and representative of a strong character. He will make it through this and be better.

Do you know what they do in surgery to resolve this? Is the disk going to rebuild itself after surgery? Bodies have an amazing ability to heal themselves. With the good food you feed Dante and the wonderful environment he lives in where love, compassion and nurturing is extended, he should be well on his way to recovery.

Hugs
Posted By: MaxaLisa

Re: Dante's Back Issues - 12/06/14 09:20 PM

Quote:
I thought about this a lot last night after I had time to settle with the news and decided this is my only option. Well the other option would be to euthanize and I'm not taking that as an option.


Euthanasia and surgery are not the only two options, there is a conservative care option for this. Steroids and crate rest are used initially to get the inflammation down (a bit surprised they weren't used initially when a back problem like this presented), and then it works best with alternative care modalities. A neurosurgeon though will not be as familiar with that option, because that is not what they do. My chiro has had dogs that the neuro said needed to be euthanized that are now fully walking after conservative care.

And frankly, I wouldn't know enough, without more research, about which option is best for an individual dog. I have heard of some very good successes with this surgery, but I do not know a lot about it. These are the people that know the most about the conservative therapy: http://www.dodgerslist.com/literature/conservative.htm They also have a forum somewhere on that site if you have any questions.

I don't know if you are using joint supplements, or adequan, or anything, but that is a question in my mind. Do you remember these toys, the snakes with the joints, move one, the rest of them alter? http://img.alibaba.com/wsphoto/v0/362985...s-3-AP07694.jpg I think of the spine this way, rarely is it just "one joint" that is out, or is getting dry and brittle, but the whole spine is affected, but it's the weakest link that is the one to break, so to speak. So I might think of longer term joint health moving forward after the surgery.

The important thing is that you know what is wrong now. I would ask the surgery about severity, comparisons with other cases he's had, what he expects for Dante after the surgery and recovery, etc.

I know that the money part is really tough, having gone from Max to Jazz. I am feeling your pain hugging
Posted By: MaxaLisa

Re: Dante's Back Issues - 12/06/14 09:24 PM

Here's their forum: http://dodgerslist.boards.net/

They also have a section on post-operation recovery which may be helpful.

hugging
Posted By: PositiveDog

Re: Dante's Back Issues - 12/07/14 01:24 AM

Barb, I wish Dante all the best with his surgery. It sounds like a good plan to have time just for him after surgery

You might want to buy a lottery ticket. Can't hurt. smile

I think you're going to have some sleepless nights ahead. frown
Posted By: Barb E

Re: Dante's Back Issues - 12/07/14 02:55 AM

Thank you all, and thank you Lisa for the forum, I wouldn't have found that on my own!
Posted By: Barb E

Re: Dante's Back Issues - 12/07/14 04:03 AM

I just got the report from the MRI. I feel much more confident in my decision to have surgery done.
Recovery is not going to be easy, I'm so incredibly lucky that I can work from home!!

The important parts:
"There is a large amount of herniated intervertebral disc material at the lumbosacral junction completely occluding the spinal canal. The nerve roots cannot be visualized in this area."
And
"Assessment:
Severe intervertebral disc herniation at the lumbosacral junction completely occluding the spinal canal with compression of the nerve roots.
Equivocal left ventral spinal cord compression at L2-3 caused by mild intervertebral disc bulging/herniation.
Mild intervertebral disc bulging/herniation along the right ventral aspect of the spinal canal at T13-L1 and L1-2 without visible spinal cord compression."
Posted By: Barb E

Re: Dante's Back Issues - 12/07/14 04:06 AM

Oh and Elvi - You probably didn't see this before because I had originally titled it Cauda Equina, just recently had Val change it since it was decided it wasn't Cauda Equina.
Posted By: MaxaLisa

Re: Dante's Back Issues - 12/07/14 04:32 AM

So, what exactly are they going to do during the surgery? I don't know how they fix something like this. Not sure, but looks like the really bad stuff is at the base of the lumbar area (the lumbosacral junction), but that there are other issues at the top of the lumbar area(the thoracolumbar junction).

I'm pretty sure that helping the issue at the base of the lumbar area will help the issues at the top, but I don't know by how much, or if recovery adds extra stress to those areas (probably not, or we would hear more about that probably from the after effect of these surgeries) - the surgeon may (or may not) be able to answer that?

I think it's great that you can work from home, that will be a huge help.
Posted By: Qyn

Re: Dante's Back Issues - 12/07/14 07:52 AM

My Partner had a successful lumbar laminectomy - I wonder whether the surgery is similar for dogs even though it is performed in a different species with a different musculatory system and structure. Might give you ideas for questions to ask too!

Wishing Dante the best for his surgery and recovery and likewise to Kaos. hugging

Hope you can get some sleep for yourself too! hugging
Posted By: bianca

Re: Dante's Back Issues - 12/07/14 08:27 AM

Barb, wishing you and your sweet Dante only the best. He is so lucky to have you hugging
Posted By: Barb E

Re: Dante's Back Issues - 12/08/14 07:40 PM

Just talked to Dr Skinner on the phone (He is crazy busy today and has brain surgery on a cat today!).

He'll do a laminectomy and remove all the debris from the disc and then put a fat graph over (He said this is to help prevent scar tissue).

Worst possible scenario? He dies on the table.
2nd Worst possible scenario? He has some residual pain and/or lameness (this is usually caused by scar tissue).
Expected Scenario? He'll be back to his normal self within a month.
Best Case Scenario? He'll feel so good by day 2 that he has to be restrained.

Dr Skinner really expects 3rd scenario. The fact Dante still has bladder/bowel control is a very good sign.

He may actually come home as soon as Thursday.

I called the regular vet and I'll drop Kaos off on Thursday for boarding and to be spayed, and leave her there 10 days.

*Whew* is it Wednesday morning yet?
smile

Thank you all for your kind thoughts and words, means a lot!!
hugging
Posted By: Barb E

Re: Dante's Back Issues - 12/08/14 07:40 PM

Oh and unless something broadcasts itself during surgery the upper area will be left alone.
Posted By: PositiveDog

Re: Dante's Back Issues - 12/08/14 10:39 PM

You both will certainly be on my mind. hugging
Posted By: Shepherds

Re: Dante's Back Issues - 12/08/14 11:45 PM

Wishing you and Dante the very best. hugging
Posted By: SeanRescueMom

Re: Dante's Back Issues - 12/09/14 01:33 AM

Originally Posted By: Barb E
Expected Scenario? He'll be back to his normal self within a month.
Dr Skinner really expects 3rd scenario.


I'll toast to the 3rd scenario! cheers Sending special thoughts that surgery goes well. hugging
Posted By: BowWowMeow

Re: Dante's Back Issues - 12/09/14 03:52 AM

Wishing the best of luck to Dante on his surgery and all good thoughts to you on keeping it together while he's gone! hugging
Posted By: Barb E

Re: Dante's Back Issues - 12/09/14 02:24 PM

Thank you everyone!

Dante and I are having a nice quiet morning.
I have an Orthodontist appointment this morning then I'll come home, snuggle him a bit more and then go drop him off.

Surgery won't be until this afternoon, Dr Skinner sees patients in the morning and does surgery/imaging in the afternoon.
Posted By: Mary Jane

Re: Dante's Back Issues - 12/09/14 03:22 PM

OK, I will focus my worries/hopes for the afternoon (the worries are not for a reason, just because Dante's health is so important).

all the best,
MJ
Posted By: Barb E

Re: Dante's Back Issues - 12/09/14 05:43 PM

Just dropped him off.
cry happened as I walked out the door.

They had a down dog come in yesterday so the receptionist wasn't sure if Dante would be first up or if that dog would be first up.

I can visit, just not today, I'm not sure if I will or not. Much will depend on when they think he'll come home, I don't want to get him riled up when I leave.

Now excuse me while I go cuddle Kaos for a minute!
Posted By: MaxaLisa

Re: Dante's Back Issues - 12/09/14 06:02 PM

Best thoughts for the surgery today!
Posted By: Woodreb

Re: Dante's Back Issues - 12/09/14 06:54 PM

Keeping you and Dante in my thoughts today.
Posted By: PositiveDog

Re: Dante's Back Issues - 12/09/14 07:23 PM

Cyber hugs for you both.

hugging hugging
Posted By: TimberWolf

Re: Dante's Back Issues - 12/09/14 09:27 PM

Thinking of you and Dante. Take a deep breath. This, too shall pass. Wishing for a successful surgery without any complications and a quick recovery.
Posted By: Shilohsmom

Re: Dante's Back Issues - 12/09/14 09:38 PM

I'm just thinking of you and Dante and hoping for the best for his surgery. I can only imagine the stress you must feel now. I'm sending lots of healing thoughts and prayers for Dante. Please update us as time allows.
hugging
Posted By: Barb E

Re: Dante's Back Issues - 12/09/14 09:38 PM

Dante is in surgery now (Not sure when it started) they said I should hear from them in a couple of hours
Posted By: MaxaLisa

Re: Dante's Back Issues - 12/10/14 12:30 AM

Bleh, waiting is the worst...
Posted By: Shilohsmom

Re: Dante's Back Issues - 12/10/14 01:19 AM

I agree, waiting is the worst impatient
Posted By: SeanRescueMom

Re: Dante's Back Issues - 12/10/14 02:07 AM

Any updates? please
Posted By: PositiveDog

Re: Dante's Back Issues - 12/10/14 02:46 AM

Hoping we hear some optimistic news soon. pacing
Posted By: Shilohsmom

Re: Dante's Back Issues - 12/10/14 03:08 AM

No updates yet??? Gee, I sure hope all is well.
Posted By: Barb E

Re: Dante's Back Issues - 12/10/14 03:11 AM

OMG I am so sorry, I thought I posted here!!

I talked to Dr Skinner, surgery went well, he gave me details which I promptly forgot!!

Tomorrow will be key, can he pee/poop/walk/etc on his own.

I am so tired, I'm headed to bed, Kaos is looking forward to sleeping on my bed with me smile
Posted By: Shilohsmom

Re: Dante's Back Issues - 12/10/14 03:16 AM

party Thank goodness!!!!!! Oh what a relief!!!!!!! I hope you get a good nights rest my friend. hugging
Posted By: Shepherds

Re: Dante's Back Issues - 12/10/14 04:02 AM

One hurdle down and tomorrow after a good nights rest I hope you awake to good news and Dante is on his way to putting this whole experience behind him.
Posted By: TimberWolf

Re: Dante's Back Issues - 12/10/14 04:36 AM

hugging hugging hugging hugging hugging hugging
Posted By: bianca

Re: Dante's Back Issues - 12/10/14 08:54 AM

Barb I hope you get the best news (pee,poop etc) in the morning hugging hugging
Posted By: Qyn

Re: Dante's Back Issues - 12/10/14 11:30 AM

Hope you and Kaos had a wonderful sleep - looking forward to Dante poop tomorrow - hmmm, I hope that does not sound too weird. smile hugging
Posted By: Mary Jane

Re: Dante's Back Issues - 12/10/14 01:35 PM

crossedfingers
Posted By: Barb E

Re: Dante's Back Issues - 12/10/14 01:40 PM

I am SO very sorry peeps, I was sure I had posted here and instead I left you hanging!

It was incredibly nice to sleep in my bed last night, I think I've been on the couch for almost a month (??).

I'll call late morning/early afternoon to check on him

hugging and hugging
Posted By: Shilohsmom

Re: Dante's Back Issues - 12/10/14 02:34 PM

I woke up thinking of you and Dante and am so hoping for more good news today!!!
Posted By: Barb E

Re: Dante's Back Issues - 12/10/14 06:48 PM

Just got off the phone with the clinic....

Dante has pooped
Dante has pee'd
Dante has been out a few times already today for short walks!!!!!!!!!!!!

party

Now I can start to relax!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted By: MaxaLisa

Re: Dante's Back Issues - 12/10/14 06:51 PM

I'm really glad that things are going well smile
Posted By: Mary Jane

Re: Dante's Back Issues - 12/10/14 07:02 PM

Originally Posted By: Barb E

Dante has pooped
Dante has pee'd
Dante has been out a few times already today for short walks!!!!!!!!!!!!

party


party
Posted By: Woodreb

Re: Dante's Back Issues - 12/10/14 07:20 PM

party That's all good news. Now to get him home so he can recuperate.
Posted By: TimberWolf

Re: Dante's Back Issues - 12/10/14 08:02 PM

party party party party party


groovy groovy groovy groovy groovy groovy groovy
Posted By: Shilohsmom

Re: Dante's Back Issues - 12/10/14 10:38 PM

Originally Posted By: Barb E
Just got off the phone with the clinic....

Dante has pooped
Dante has pee'd
Dante has been out a few times already today for short walks!!!!!!!!!!!!

party

Now I can start to relax!!!!!!!!!!!!


YES!!!!!! I'm soooooo happy!!!!! groovy
Posted By: Shilohsmom

Re: Dante's Back Issues - 12/10/14 10:40 PM

Originally Posted By: LMS
party party party party party


groovy groovy groovy groovy groovy groovy groovy
I want to join in the dance line groovy groovy groovy groovy groovy

This is the best news all day!!!! happyboogie
Posted By: SeanRescueMom

Re: Dante's Back Issues - 12/11/14 01:29 AM

Originally Posted By: Barb E
Just got off the phone with the clinic....
Dante has pooped
Dante has pee'd
Dante has been out a few times already today for short walks!!!!!!!!!!!!
Now I can start to relax!!!!!!!!!!!!


And you deserve it! thumbup
Posted By: Shepherds

Re: Dante's Back Issues - 12/11/14 01:54 AM

Woo hoo.........Thats great news. Well done Dante party

And now you can breathe..............
Posted By: Braverhund

Re: Dante's Back Issues - 12/11/14 03:09 AM

Dante is the man!! party
Posted By: Barb E

Re: Dante's Back Issues - 12/11/14 03:19 AM

smile
I am so very relieved!!

The vet just called that will be spaying Kaos tomorrow, she scolded me a bit becaue Kaos is a little overweight rofl

Yeah, I thought a few weeks ago I needed to cut back her food a bit and then this all happened with Dante and well...I didn't.

69 pounds, her perfect is 60-65
Posted By: TimberWolf

Re: Dante's Back Issues - 12/11/14 05:27 AM

Oh well.... if that is all there is as far as challenges for Kaos....good to go LOL. I am sure she can lose the weight after the holidays. Wishing for a smooth spay and quick recovery for Kaos.

Wishing you sweet dreams tonight and a solid refreshing sleep.
Posted By: bianca

Re: Dante's Back Issues - 12/11/14 06:49 AM

party party Oh Barb this is the BEST news! I am so happy for you all and phew just a little over weight!!!
Posted By: Qyn

Re: Dante's Back Issues - 12/11/14 02:15 PM

Thanks for the poop and the great news! hugging

party happyboogie
Posted By: Mary Jane

Re: Dante's Back Issues - 12/11/14 03:45 PM

Is Dante coming home today (please)?
Posted By: Barb E

Re: Dante's Back Issues - 12/11/14 04:45 PM

He'll come home tomorrow if today is good.
smile
Which is really better anyway since I have weekends off!!
Posted By: TimberWolf

Re: Dante's Back Issues - 12/11/14 05:03 PM

Wow, amazing how fast it goes. So thrilled and perfect since you have the weekend off.
Posted By: Barb E

Re: Dante's Back Issues - 12/11/14 07:31 PM

Dante Update
Just got off the phone from a very brief conversation with the neurologist.
Dante is doing great and will be coming home tomorrow!!!!
Posted By: Braverhund

Re: Dante's Back Issues - 12/11/14 08:39 PM

party Hooray for Dante coming home!! party
Posted By: TimberWolf

Re: Dante's Back Issues - 12/11/14 08:54 PM

Wow, what a relief!!! You are such a great fur baby mom. Thank you for taking the risk with him and the surgery.
Posted By: Brooklyn

Re: Dante's Back Issues - 12/11/14 11:19 PM

Wonderful News!











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Posted By: Shilohsmom

Re: Dante's Back Issues - 12/12/14 01:59 AM

I'm so glad he'll be coming home tomorrow groovy I'm glad you'll be able to spend plenty of one on one attention with him. You have been through so much hugging Remember, were here for you and both of your fur babies.
Posted By: Barb E

Re: Dante's Back Issues - 12/12/14 05:25 PM

Just got the call, Dante is released to come home today.

They release animals around the lunch hour and then again late in the afternoon.
Though I want him home NOW, I chose the late in the afternoon after I get off work.
smile

I can not wait to see him, I'll be sure to have Kleenex on hand rofl
Posted By: JeanKBBMMMAAN

Re: Dante's Back Issues - 12/12/14 06:18 PM

WOW. Enjoy your weekend with your boy! I've been quietly reading - I think the fact that he's at a nice weight will help a ton.
Posted By: TimberWolf

Re: Dante's Back Issues - 12/13/14 01:33 AM

How is it going? Thinking of you two.
Posted By: Barb E

Re: Dante's Back Issues - 12/13/14 02:53 AM

We just got home.
They had an emergency surgery on a down dog this afternoon so I was delayed.

Surgeon said Dante is doing very well and to my eyes it appears he is. We already took a stroll around the yard smile

I don't need to use a sling, at this time no PT, he did have laser therapy while there.
Keep him quiet, back next Friday to remove staples.
He said it really was a mess in there, a lot of debris all in amongst the nerve roots.




Posted By: PositiveDog

Re: Dante's Back Issues - 12/13/14 03:01 AM

His incision looks great.

His haircut....um, not so much. poke

I'm so glad he is doing so glad this soon out of surgery.
Posted By: Mary Jane

Re: Dante's Back Issues - 12/13/14 03:20 AM

incision-clean and sharp
face-look at that face, just look at that face!
Posted By: BowWowMeow

Re: Dante's Back Issues - 12/13/14 04:37 AM

Wow, that beats Rafi's porcupine quill scar! I hope you have a tie-die shirt for him to wear. poke

So glad he is home and feeling better already!
Posted By: Brooklyn

Re: Dante's Back Issues - 12/13/14 05:26 AM

Ouch! That's some incision! Quick healing to Dante and so glad he is home.











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Posted By: middleofnowhere

Re: Dante's Back Issues - 12/13/14 06:26 AM

Sorta a reverse mohawk on the back eh? Hope it heals quickly and his back continues to feel just fine.
Posted By: Qyn

Re: Dante's Back Issues - 12/13/14 01:32 PM

Originally Posted By: Mary Jane
incision-clean and sharp
face-look at that face, just look at that face!


This! Lovely to see how well he is standing! happyboogie
Posted By: PaddyD

Re: Dante's Back Issues - 12/13/14 03:49 PM

wow
Wow, Barb, that's huge! Keeping high hopes for Dante's quick healing
and rejuvenation.
goodluck
Posted By: Barb E

Re: Dante's Back Issues - 12/13/14 08:44 PM

Thank you all.

Here are before/after videos. Please remember with the first one that the Gabapentin changed how he perceived pain. Though I'm sure there was still some pain involved since he stopped screaming and crying out in the days before I took this video, it's obvious the medication was quite affective for him.


Dante Before


Dante this morning
Posted By: TimberWolf

Re: Dante's Back Issues - 12/13/14 09:00 PM

I am just amazed at the extend of improvement in his walk. With it being improved to this extend after only 2 days, a back to normal is definitely a realistic reach. So, so glad. He is so precious.
Posted By: Woodreb

Re: Dante's Back Issues - 12/13/14 11:40 PM

His walk now is so much better. Continued good thoughts for you both as he heals and improves.
Posted By: Mary Jane

Re: Dante's Back Issues - 12/14/14 02:54 AM

I really don't want to over-interpret, but I think Dante's improvement is astounding.

Many of these crossedfingers that it is really true.

MJ
Posted By: bianca

Re: Dante's Back Issues - 12/14/14 06:18 AM

WOW! Oh Barb I am so happy for you both! Please give that gorgeous boy a gentle smooch from me!
Posted By: Barb E

Re: Dante's Back Issues - 12/14/14 04:35 PM

Thank you everyone!
The difference is pretty remarkable!!

AND......solid poop just now!!!!

happyboogie
Posted By: Barb E

Re: Dante's Back Issues - 12/14/14 06:04 PM

By the way, it should be illegal for a dog that just had back surgery to have diarrhea! All that extra squatting...
Posted By: BowWowMeow

Re: Dante's Back Issues - 12/14/14 07:49 PM

Go, Dante! I hope he continues to improve, Barb!
Posted By: MaxaLisa

Re: Dante's Back Issues - 12/14/14 11:08 PM

Barb, I'm very happy to hear how well everything went that he is increasingly improving. What a relief!!
Posted By: TimberWolf

Re: Dante's Back Issues - 12/14/14 11:44 PM

groovy
Posted By: Qyn

Re: Dante's Back Issues - 12/15/14 11:20 AM

happyboogie He looks so much more coordinated too!

Sorry about his diarrhea but at least he is not constipated which I think could be worse and put pressure on the spine!
Posted By: Brooklyn

Re: Dante's Back Issues - 12/15/14 11:26 AM

I'm so glad that Dante is so much better!










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Posted By: PositiveDog

Re: Dante's Back Issues - 12/15/14 02:24 PM

As, Dante. Can he have a little pumpkin or maybe some probiotics?

I am so happy his recovery is going so well.

groovy
Posted By: Barb E

Re: Dante's Back Issues - 12/15/14 07:35 PM

smile More solid poop this morning!
Posted By: Brooklyn

Re: Dante's Back Issues - 12/15/14 08:48 PM

Yes, a solid poop is a good thing!











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Linda
Posted By: Barb E

Re: Dante's Back Issues - 12/16/14 03:24 AM

It seems Dante doesn't know what to do with a bed this big rofl



Please excuse how dirty that wall is, guess I should turn on more light in here once in awhile rofl
Posted By: bianca

Re: Dante's Back Issues - 12/16/14 07:59 AM

Nawwww wub wub How's he doing Barb? And little Miss?
Posted By: Barb E

Re: Dante's Back Issues - 12/16/14 03:33 PM

He's doing well.

He still knuckles from time to time on that right hind and is a bit wobbly at times but heck it's only been a week!!

I'm going to try to get some video this afternoon of his movement to compare to the others.

Kaos is off being boarded after being spayed on Thursday. 2 birds, 1 stone!
She was recovering well from the spay though had some soft poops which I expected, she got that last time she was boarded as well. I went ahead and had then do a fecal which was clear. When I talked to them yesterday the poops had not gotten worse, were not even close to being liquid so we're just continuing with the Forte Flora (sp) and keeping my fingers crossed! I pick her up on Saturday.

It's a little sad to think that Dante and Kaos will never get to play together again, she's a rough player (which was fine before) and I just won't take the chance of her injuring Dante in play. Dante's not exactly a gentle player either though rofl

I'm sending many good thoughts to your boy!!!! hugging
Posted By: MaxaLisa

Re: Dante's Back Issues - 12/16/14 04:38 PM

I'm glad he is continuing to improve! Do you have any rehab plannned?
Posted By: Barb E

Re: Dante's Back Issues - 12/17/14 02:28 AM

smile
Thanks!

No rehab plans yet, I'll talk to the Neurologist on Friday when Dante has his follow-up.

He continues to do well
Posted By: bianca

Re: Dante's Back Issues - 12/17/14 08:48 AM

Oh Barb don't you go thinking about Coop, you have way too much on your plate at the moment hugging

I think he is doing amazing for only one week! And good to hear Kaos is doing ok too hugging These dogs and their poop !
Posted By: Brooklyn

Re: Dante's Back Issues - 12/17/14 11:10 AM

So very happy that Dante is improving day after day!









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Posted By: SeanRescueMom

Re: Dante's Back Issues - 12/18/14 01:41 AM

Originally Posted By: Barb E
smile More solid poop this morning!


Good poop is a good thing! thumbup
Posted By: Shilohsmom

Re: Dante's Back Issues - 12/18/14 04:31 PM

Best news ever!!!!!!! I'm so happy for the two of you groovy
Posted By: Barb E

Re: Dante's Back Issues - 12/19/14 06:17 PM



Day 10 - He gets the staples removed today. I see a little bruising, the Arnica must have been really helping though because it doesn't seem especially painful.
Posted By: MaxaLisa

Re: Dante's Back Issues - 12/19/14 06:31 PM

Glad the incision is healing up so nicely. Arnica is great stuff! Good luck at the follow-up visit.
Posted By: PositiveDog

Re: Dante's Back Issues - 12/19/14 06:38 PM

That looks great. Bet it's been fun keeping him slowed down. grin
Posted By: Barb E

Re: Dante's Back Issues - 12/19/14 08:46 PM

1 more week on the Gabapentin and back to see Dr Skinner in 2 weeks
smile

Kaos comes home tomorrow!!
smile
Posted By: MaxaLisa

Re: Dante's Back Issues - 12/20/14 03:01 AM

Glad things are progressing, I bet Kaos will be so happy to be home!
Posted By: Barb E

Re: Dante's Back Issues - 12/21/14 02:48 AM

smile
Kaos is home and a total wild child rofl

She was so excited to see me when I got there to pick her up, I admit, I got a little teary at her reaction.

It was so cute as we left the building, potty walked and loaded up in the car, people were coming out and telling her good-bye smile

"Exuberant but so incredibly sweet" Yep, that's my girl!!

When we got home her and I spent a long time in the backyard (in the pouring rain) so she could run off some of that energy, which they said was fine as long as she didn't do a bunch of jumping. Then her and I came in, snuggled for a bit and then she went into her crate and I let Dante out of "his room" aka my study and he made a beeline for her crate and they sniffed noses for a long time. I could hear her tail thumping the side of the crate she was wagging it so hard.

Tomorrow perhaps we MAY have some Kaos on leash time for the two of them together, but not sure yet. Last time we did that Dante got pretty excited too and he's not ready for any heavy duty/quick/etc movement!

I totally forgot to ask the doctor about rehab for him, but I really think at this point the slow walks around the yard are as much as he can handle.

Look Ma, no staples!


Sleepy Boy wub
Posted By: Barb E

Re: Dante's Back Issues - 12/21/14 03:28 AM

I'm so happy to be home!!!


Spay Incision - It's not open, just looks like it smile
Posted By: bianca

Re: Dante's Back Issues - 12/21/14 08:14 AM

Oh Barb I am so happy for all 3 of you! Both incisions look really good! Keep healing fast beautiful puppers wub wub
Posted By: Mary Jane

Re: Dante's Back Issues - 12/21/14 01:30 PM

Oh boy everybody's home for Christmas! christmastree
Posted By: Qyn

Re: Dante's Back Issues - 12/21/14 01:34 PM

Originally Posted By: Mary Jane
Oh boy everybody's home for Christmas! christmastree



party
Posted By: PositiveDog

Re: Dante's Back Issues - 12/21/14 03:42 PM

Yay, they're both home and recovering nicely.

What a ride this has been for all of you. Hopefully things will be more calm for a while now.

You have such beautiful dogs. wub
Posted By: Kayos

Re: Dante's Back Issues - 12/21/14 05:02 PM

Glad everyone is home and recovering well! smile
Posted By: MaxaLisa

Re: Dante's Back Issues - 12/21/14 05:55 PM

Lol, I think she looks a bit more miffed at you or befuddled about recent events!

Glad everyone is home, safe and sound, and healing up!
Posted By: Barb E

Re: Dante's Back Issues - 12/22/14 03:35 AM

Thanks all!!

Dante had a very good day today, he actually was trotting some, though it was slow (Which of course is good!!)

Kaos and I played a long time in the yard today (in the rain) after which I crated her up and let Dante have the run of the house. I met up with some friends for a bite to eat and then ran some errands.
When I got home Dante was laying in front of her crate wub smile

I talked to the owner of the laundromat I go to, he got a Lab puppy not long after I got Kaos.
In August they left for a 10 day vacation, had a family friend staying at the house sitting dog and house. 2nd day they got a call that something was wrong with Lady so they had her take her to Dove Lewis (one of our local Emergency Vet Hospitals), she was in Renal Failure.
He really couldn't tell me what was wrong, but though they were so close to losing her she did survive and seems to be doing fine now.
Every pet owners nightmare! Oh and they came home on day 3 of their vacation when it was obvious there was something quite wrong with Lady.

Today I'm feeling quite blessed!
Posted By: bianca

Re: Dante's Back Issues - 12/22/14 07:41 AM

Trotting! Your boy is such a sweetie wub

How scary for the owners of the Lab, she must have eaten something toxic?
Posted By: Barb E

Re: Dante's Back Issues - 12/22/14 02:26 PM

He said it was something like Parvo but not Parvo, that it could be contagious to people, that she was catheterized so there was less chance of coming in contact with her urine and when they went to visit they had to wear coverings, for their protection not hers.

Now of course he could have some of that wrong smile not everyone wants information like many of the board members here do wink
Posted By: Wisc.Tiger_Val

Re: Dante's Back Issues - 12/22/14 02:58 PM

I am so happy to hear that Dante is doing better.

I am wondering with "lady" if it was Lepto.
Posted By: Barb E

Re: Dante's Back Issues - 12/22/14 04:49 PM

Good call Val, I bet it was Lepto!!
Posted By: TimberWolf

Re: Dante's Back Issues - 12/24/14 01:20 AM

I am so glad to hear that he continues to improve....even trotting. Wow!! Such a trooper.
Posted By: SeanRescueMom

Re: Dante's Back Issues - 12/24/14 03:15 AM

Originally Posted By: LMS
I am so glad to hear that he continues to improve....even trotting. Wow!! Such a trooper.


Ditto, he's made an amazing recuperation. thumbup
Posted By: TimberWolf

Re: Dante's Back Issues - 12/27/14 04:33 PM

How is Mr. Dante doing?
Posted By: Barb E

Re: Dante's Back Issues - 12/29/14 03:15 AM

smile

Dante is doing well!

He's still a bit wobbly at times, not surprising though.
He took the last Gabapentin Friday morning and has yet to show any pain issues! groovy

He did try to go for a bit of an adventure yesterday, actually pushing past me through the front door rofl luckily I was able to grab him quickly
Posted By: Barb E

Re: Dante's Back Issues - 12/30/14 09:10 PM

3-Weeks
smile
Posted By: Wisc.Tiger_Val

Re: Dante's Back Issues - 12/30/14 10:13 PM

Glad to see Dante is doing better. I think it will take a while to recover some of his muscle tone. Slow and stead is best, don't let him over do.
Posted By: Barb E

Re: Dante's Back Issues - 01/01/15 08:30 PM

smile At this point thankfully he's still self regulating, that little trot is the most he does.

I'm looking forward to his appointment on Monday to find out how much I should be doing with him, both of us would love to go for an actual walk!
Posted By: Brooklyn

Re: Dante's Back Issues - 01/01/15 11:13 PM

So very nice to see Dante. He looks great for a dog who has recently had surgery.










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Posted By: PaddyD

Re: Dante's Back Issues - 01/02/15 12:37 PM

Nice to see Dante moving so well! :-)
Posted By: Lunas Dad

Re: Dante's Back Issues - 01/02/15 10:55 PM

Barb, I'm glad Dante is doing better. As I was reading these posts, it sounded more and more like what I experienced with Luna. Especially the knuckling of the back paw.

She had been experiencing increased weakness in her hind quarters, which we initially assumed was her sub-luxated hips, and tried cold laser therapy, which made things worse (and decidely painful for her). When she lost the function in her back right leg we went to the specialist and had an MRI right away.

Her spine was 50% compressed with one ruptured disk and two bulging disks. Immediate surgery (hemilaminectomy to remove two disks), and she back home after about three days. We had several months of physical therapy, including water therapy. We were lucky to find a great pet sitter that would come in and do her PT in the middle of the day.

She sustained some permanent nerve damage, but three years later we still walk a mile each morning (she's 12-1/2).

All the best of luck with Dante's recovery. He looks like he's doing wonderfully, and he is lucky to have someone take such good care of him.
Posted By: JeanKBBMMMAAN

Re: Dante's Back Issues - 01/04/15 04:30 PM

He looks GOOD!
Posted By: TimberWolf

Re: Dante's Back Issues - 01/04/15 10:08 PM

I am just amazed at how quickly he is recovering. So glad this turned out this way. What a trooper.
Posted By: Barb E

Dante's Back Healing - 01/05/15 07:20 PM

Thank you again everyone!!

Just got back from his follow-up and everything is going well! Dr Skinner is very happy with the result, as am I.

Dante and I are now cleared to walk as much as we want (I'll start slow), it is ok if he trots some.
No running or jumping for another 6 weeks and we go back in a month.

cheers

On another note, had Kaos in to the ER Vet last night when she started pooping blood. Not a little blood in her poop, more like a little poop in the blood.

They ran blood work and a fecal, both came back ok. The PCV (test they use for HGE) came back in the normal range so I brought her home with some metronidazole and some FortiFlora and she's on a bland diet. There has not been any more bloody poops since I took her in crossedfingers but I haven't yet fed her today. I wanted to get home from Dante's appointment first so I could be around to take her out if she needs to go.

I've seen a lot of diarrhea in dog(s) in my 10 years of having Dante/Kaos, some with blood in it, but I have never seen anything like what happened with Kaos last night!
It was scary!!
Posted By: Mary Jane

Re: Dante's Back Healing - 01/05/15 07:29 PM

You must have nerves of steel!

Have a calming walk with Dante. I'm sure Kaos will enjoy her chicken and rice.

crossedfingers

MJ
Posted By: bianca

Re: Dante's Back Healing - 01/06/15 08:12 AM

Barb I read about Kaos on FB and hope she is doing much better today hugging I am so happy for you and Dante about his check-up!
Posted By: Barb E

Re: Dante's Back Healing - 01/09/15 03:57 PM

Dante and I walk to the end of my street and back every day, he's happy and engaged. I heard one scuff of a hind paw yesterday so that is vastly improved!

And.... poop Kaos just had her first poop since the whole ER visit! Fairly solid (in the old days of Dante's poop issues I would have called it "soft but pickable") and not a sign of visible blood!!!!
I actually added some pumpkin to her food starting last night, I was getting a little concerned that even though she's eating small meals of rice/chicken that she hadn't yet pooped!
Posted By: Barb E

Re: Dante's Back Healing - 04/17/15 06:54 PM

Dante lifted his leg to pee on a bush today
laugh
Posted By: TimberWolf

Re: Dante's Back Healing - 04/17/15 09:37 PM

That is so awesome!!! Amazing how fast and well he recovered.
Posted By: Wisc.Tiger_Val

Re: Dante's Back Healing - 04/17/15 11:48 PM

That is great. I am sure you both feel good about the progress.
Posted By: SeanRescueMom

Re: Dante's Back Healing - 04/18/15 12:19 AM

Originally Posted By: Barb E
Dante lifted his leg to pee on a bush today:D


Great news! paw
Posted By: arycrest

Re: Dante's Back Healing - 04/18/15 02:54 AM

groovy party happyboogie Good boy Dante!!!
Posted By: PositiveDog

Re: Dante's Back Healing - 04/18/15 03:28 PM

Alright! Go, Dante!

This is great news.

groovy
Posted By: MaxaLisa

Re: Dante's Back Healing - 04/18/15 07:01 PM

So glad he is continuing to improve smile
Posted By: Qyn

Re: Dante's Back Healing - 04/19/15 01:21 PM

Originally Posted By: Barb E
Dante lifted his leg to pee on a bush today
laugh


WTG literally thumbup Dante!! wow
Posted By: Barb E

Re: Dante's Back Healing - 04/23/15 01:47 PM

Thank you all!

Yesterday he was laying out in the backyard, I decided it was time for him to come in.
As soon as we made eye contact I knew this wasn't what he wanted.

He got up, I asked him to "down" with verbal command and hand signal. Now this is a command he's been good at for almost 11 years. In his younger days he'd down so fast it would make your head spin.

Yesterday? He play-bowed, barked and then ran.

3 times!!

He still has some weakness in the hind end, but we can both live with that smile
Posted By: Barb E

Re: Dante's Back Healing - 06/22/15 02:19 AM

It's now been just over 6 months since Dante's surgery!

A few notes:
He now scratches his back legs after he poops
He's so happy and content
Once in awhile he'll get the zoomies in the house and so I'll get him out side quickly where there are no sharp turns or fear of him going in the kitchen.
He's always been one to show his "red rocket" when he gets excited, this has increased by a hundred fold.
He'll from time to time drop a turd in the house, hence he has a new nickname of TD (Turd Dropper). There seems to be more urgency or perhaps it's that there isn't as much warning. Thankfully the Nature's Logic really agrees with him so they're always solid and very little smell.
He can not be loose with Kaos, this will never be able to happen again. This is the one thing that makes me sad, but she's too exuberant and he gets too excited and I just can't take the chance of him falling or her slamming into him.

11.25 years old smile

I am so pleased with the outcome!
Posted By: PositiveDog

Re: Dante's Back Healing - 06/22/15 02:33 AM

happyboogie

What a wonderful update. Interesting about the TD aspect, but it sure could be worse if his food wasn't agreeing with him.

Over 11 and still doing the zoomies. Scary, but awesome as well.

Way to go, Dante.
Posted By: MaxaLisa

Re: Dante's Back Healing - 06/22/15 03:45 AM

Glad that he is continuing to feel better, that's great.
Posted By: anniej

Re: Dante's Back Healing - 06/22/15 05:25 AM

Great news - wishing you many more happy years of zoomies :-)
Posted By: Barb E

Re: Dante's Back Healing - 06/22/15 11:33 AM

smile Thanks all!!
Posted By: Kayos

Re: Dante's Back Healing - 06/22/15 05:44 PM

Barb that is really great news! Glad he is ding so well.
Posted By: Barb E

Re: Dante's Back Again? - 08/25/15 03:38 AM

Something is wrong with Dante. Everything was fine when I got him home from boarding (Though I thought it a little odd that he laid down in the back without me telling him to) and then I left for a couple of hours.

Kaos was crated and he had the run of the house.

His left hind looks slightly puffy but the most worrying is that he's unsteady on his hind end and twice he's "knuckled" the left foot. He went out to potty and rather than looking for sticks or wandering through the yard he laid down when he was done.
He isn't whining or screaming like he did when he ruptured the disc but he is panting. The panting though, he tends to do that if the house is higher than 68 degrees and it's 79 in here.

He did eat dinner, though I put the bowl right in front of where he was laying and he did not get up to eat.

I'm going to try to get him in to the neurologist tomorrow.

I'm ever the optimist, but something just doesn't feel good about this.
Posted By: Barb E

Don't think it's the back! - 08/25/15 03:50 PM

Dante is much perkier this morning and I am way less tired than I was!
Once my head was clear this morning I remembered he had this "Puffy Leg" thing back in 2008. I spent $3,000.00, x-rays, Cytology, MRI and vet visits and they never figured out what it was. It resolved itself after the MRI (I remember calling them and asking if they did anything special to get that MRI, they said no).
Dante actually wandered the yard just now and was quite happy when he found a Nylabone out there.

In 2004 Dante was 4 years old and he's now 11. In 2004 he hadn't had back surgery 8 months prior.
It's hard for me to remember how the leg worked back then, it was a long time ago. It actually does not appear to be painful, just stiff and because his hind end isn't what it used to be I think it makes moving around a bit more difficult when both hind legs aren't nice and flexible.

The GSD.com board doesn't have history back to 2008 so I can't get a blow-by-blow of what was happening, just my spread sheet with vet costs.

Even though he's still wobbly and not walking correctly, at this point I have decided not to take him in and just watch it and him since he is so much happier today. What had me so worried last night was the fact that he just wasn't himself, very depressed and unhappy.

Posted By: PositiveDog

Re: Don't think it's the back! - 08/25/15 04:05 PM

Hope Dante feels much better today.

Maybe just stiffness from being confined and less active while at the kennel.

Sure is scary when our seniors aren't themselves.

Woofs from Skye and Buddy!
Posted By: Codmaster

Re: Don't think it's the back! - 08/27/15 01:35 AM

Originally Posted By: PositiveDog
.....Sure is scary when our seniors aren't themselves....



Ain't that the truth!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted By: Barb E

Re: Don't think it's the back! - 08/27/15 05:26 PM

I decided to go ahead and take Dante in this morning when he wasn't enthusiastic about breakfast.

He was impossible for the vet to get a good exam (She actually didn't charge me!!!!) so through discussion and history we decided to start an anti-inflammatory and an antibiotic.

I'll be dropping the dogs off on Saturday for boarding as I leave Sunday for Denver. I'll leave approval for an x-ray if he doesn't show any improvement.

I can't believe I have to leave with this going on, but you don't say no when it's a new job!!!!
Posted By: Wisc.Tiger_Val

Re: Don't think it's the back! - 08/27/15 06:03 PM

Is it possible that when Dante was at the Vet's office he slept on the floor instead of something softer?? Cool floor - older dog = some problems.

Thinking about Mr.Dante. I hope the ABX works.
Posted By: Barb E

Re: Don't think it's the back! - 08/27/15 08:49 PM

I don't think they have beds in the kennels, but 75% of the time here at home he sleeps on the hardwood or linoleum and not on his bed (Silly dog!!)

If I have to be out of town I'm so glad I can board him at the vet!!
Posted By: Barb E

Re: Don't think it's the back! - 09/20/15 03:58 PM

So sorry I didn't come back and update this!!

Dante's leg is back to normal.

One or both of the meds worked, we knew when we did it this way that we wouldn't know for sure but since I was going to be out of town I just wanted to hit with both barrels.

It's hard to believe it's been almost a year since Dante ruptured that disc! This morning he was out trotting around the yard like he owned life smile wub
Posted By: Codmaster

Re: Don't think it's the back! - 09/20/15 04:06 PM

Great News!
Posted By: Woodreb

Re: Don't think it's the back! - 09/20/15 04:26 PM

thumbup Glad to hear Dante is doing well.
Posted By: Barb E

Re: Dante's Back Issues - 12/09/15 06:13 PM

Originally Posted By: Barb E
OMG I am so sorry, I thought I posted here!!

I talked to Dr Skinner, surgery went well, he gave me details which I promptly forgot!!

Tomorrow will be key, can he pee/poop/walk/etc on his own.

I am so tired, I'm headed to bed, Kaos is looking forward to sleeping on my bed with me smile


It's been a year smile

A year of changes but most importantly a year of Joy!

Dante did not regain the muscle mass in his hind end, he may have if we had done some serious rehab but we're both happy with where he is.
He play bows at me when we go out in the back yard and takes "Joy Laps" of the yard.
There is no residual pain (He's not the most stoic of dogs rofl so I would know) and the "turd dropping" I can't say for sure is surgery related since I hear this is sometimes an issue with senior dogs (He'll be 12 in March).

I miss him sleeping on my bed, however Kaos is very grateful that he can't smile

I think they miss loose play time together but they both play to rough and I'm not willing to take the chance.

Thank you all for holding me up last year, it was a rough stretch and your kindness and support made it easier.
hugging

Yes, thank you!!!
Posted By: Wisc.Tiger_Val

Re: Dante's Back Issues - 12/09/15 08:37 PM

Barb thanks for the update on Dante. Glad to hear that he is doing well.
Posted By: PositiveDog

Re: Dante's Back Issues - 12/09/15 11:11 PM

Sweet Dante. wub

Thanks for the good update. He has such a sweet smooshy face. smile
Posted By: Kris

Re: Dante's Back Issues - 12/10/15 01:40 AM

Great to hear he's doing so well, Barb. Oh my gosh - if I could kiss that nose through my computer screen, I'd be doing it!!! wub
Posted By: Mary Jane

Re: Dante's Back Issues - 12/10/15 02:17 AM

SMACK wub
Posted By: arycrest

Re: Dante's Back Issues - 12/10/15 04:07 AM

Originally Posted By: Barb E


I also wish I could give him a big, sloppy kiss on his beautuful nose!!!
Posted By: Braverhund

Re: Dante's Back Issues - 12/10/15 01:37 PM

Dante's sweet face just made my day! I, too, wish I could kiss his adorable face! wub
Posted By: Barb E

Re: Dante's Back Issues - 12/10/15 02:47 PM

smile Thank you all!!!
Posted By: Kayos

Re: Dante's Back Issues - 12/14/15 01:45 PM

He looks very good!
Posted By: Braverhund

Re: Dante's Back Issues - 12/15/15 01:51 AM

Wasn't Dante the guy wearing the Frisbee toy on his head in the avatar photo? He just gets cuter. wub
Posted By: MaxaLisa

Re: Dante's Back Issues - 12/15/15 06:58 PM

greet Hi Dante!
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