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Bloat #9940
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We really need a Bloat sticky. Every GSD owner needs to be aware of what to look for and what steps they need to take at the first signs of Bloat.


Rosa

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Re: Bloat [Re: Shilohsmom] #9963
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Check the Health Index for info: http://www.germanshepherdhome.net/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=4854#Post4854

However, discussion threads on bloat and personal experiences are always helpful too.


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Re: Bloat [Re: MaxaLisa] #9964
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agreed I just got an email from a friend whos 14 yr old GSD is in surgery for bloat right now


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Re: Bloat [Re: MaxaLisa] #9975
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Originally Posted By: MaxaLisa
Check the Health Index for info: http://www.germanshepherdhome.net/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=4854#Post4854

However, discussion threads on bloat and personal experiences are always helpful too.


oh...guess I should have looked around some more whistling But a discussion thread would be helpful.


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Re: Bloat [Re: Shilohsmom] #9979
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The symptoms listed here is the best list I've seen. (For my dog, the first symptom was hyper-salivation, which then became drooling. Then she started to look uncomfortable.)

http://www.globalspan.net/bloat.htm

The links at the bottom are very good and worth reading further.

I have this list printed up and hanging on the inside of a kitchen cupboard. I don't want to be logging on to my computer and hoping that my cable/broadband is working. I've also read it often enough to have most of the symptoms memorized. My dog started to bloat when I was nearly an hour away from home and approx 30 mintues away from my vet's office. Which leads me to the next issue.

We need to have Extra strength Gas-X (or similar) with us ALWAYS. Carry it in your car, your briefcase, your purse, your training bag. Have a bunch of it at home. Don't use it for yourself, or if you do, buy some for the dog and some for you, and mark it appropropriately. When you run out of yours, go buy some. I know someone who needed Gas-X for her dog, but she used up her stash here and there; didn't have it when she needed it; then had to rush out and get some (fortunately, it turned out ok). Don't steal your dog's Gas-X! Your gas pains are uncomfortable. His could be deadly! frown

When my dog started to bloat (I wasn't sure, but I suspected), I had foil packets in my car and my bag. I gave her two (pinched off the end and squeezed the medicine down her throat), called my vet to tell her I was on the way, got halfway there, pulled over and gave my dog two more. I had plenty of Gas-X to buy us time.

Simethicone is a rather harmless drug, all things considered. For a 60 lb GSD, I'd start with 2 capsules; for an 80 lb GSD, I personally would give 3-4 depending on the severity of symptoms. Ask your vet NOW what she thinks the dosage should be for YOUR dog. It may vary depending on age, health, proximity of vet or emergency clinic, etc. I'm not a vet. I can only tell you what I would do.

You should know where at least two emergency clinics are. Have their phone numbers stored in your cell phone or posted near your land line and in your car (carry business cards in your wallet or glove box). Call ahead. If the staff is already involved in other traumas, they may not be able to take your dog. If your dog is experiencing torsion and the surgeons are involved in a complicated surgery, they may not be able to take your dog. Be sure you tell them exactly what symptoms your dog is having and that you suspect bloat. Ask if they can treat your dog asap. If not, move on to your second choice.

If you can't get to the vet asap -- if you are delayed for any reason (or if you get there and they can't take him right away) -- and it doesn't appear that your dog is experiencing torsion yet -- you can try to walk your dog briskly. Don't let him run, no matter how panicked he seems to be, but this isn't the time for a stroll, or stopping and sniffing. Moving quickly can help move gas out of the stomach. It's one of the things that vets do to help horses with colic. Obviously, this is not your first line of defense. Your first line of defense is to get to an emergency clinic asap and insist that they treat him immediately.

Above all, stay calm. If you panic, you'll stress your dog. Create a plan now. Talk to your regular vet. Can she handle an emergency GDV situation? Can she handle it at any time (including closing time, weekends, etc)? Will your dog have overnight monitoring there? If not, an emergency or critical care clinic may be a better option for you. Ask her (or friends) for recommendations now. Print that information up and put it in several places. Give it to pet sitters, family members, etc.

When GDV happens, it happens fast, usually with little or no warning. It can happen when you're away from home (as I found out). The more we prepare now, the better we'll be able to respond. And what our dogs need most in a medical emergency -- especially one as painful as GDV -- is a calm reassuring owner. smile

Re: Bloat [Re: 3K9Mom] #9985
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Excellant post (as usual) 3k9Mom


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Re: Bloat [Re: Shilohsmom] #10018
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Ditto. Thank you.


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Re: Bloat [Re: Buoyant Dog] #10054
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The vets told me I can pump Renji full of Simethicone. He is about 45 lbs or so and has had 4-8 xtra strength gasx in a couple hours. Very safe indeed. ALWAYS have this on hand and break open the capsule to give just the liquid. It is very minty, FYI.


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Re: Bloat [Re: 3K9Mom] #10059
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Great info! Here's a bit more...

bloat

This article shows the dogs that are most susceptible and the odds...sometimes too much information is scary, but I like to know all of the possibilities, probabilities, and anything else that I can find out


The more that I know, the more I can do.... crossedfingers


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Re: Bloat [Re: Doggonefool] #10082
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My experience is that ANY dog can bloat at ANY time. While there are some tendencies that should be paid attention to (weak nerved dogs in particular), I think that getting hung up on things like exercise (which hasn't been proven at all) is dangerous.

My dog was a beagle/cocker mix. She had an empty stomach. It was 4:30pm. She had last eaten at about 9am. She was a very calm confident dog, peacefully snoozing in the back of my car. (She loved to go for rides.) She was a senior, but a female. She was eating a home made diet.

How many of the "tendencies" can we knock off with that one example?

I think that if we just presume any dog, any breed can bloat at any time, then we'll be prepared as best as we can. Doesn't matter if you own Dalmations, Malinois, GSDs, beagles, or who-knows-what mixes. Doesn't matter if the dog is a senior or a puppy. We'll just be prepared. We won't get superstitious about "rules."

Is it a good idea to keep our kids from eating too fast, getting too stressed, exercising right after large meals, etc? Well, yeah...but it would be regardless of GDV tendencies. Mom didn't let us go swimming after a meal for a reason. It made us feel icky.

But having one dog experience partial torsion and another bloat, I've spoken to a lot of veterinary specialists about this. The best answer I've ever gotten is, "it's a lot of genetics, and a lot of 'we just don't know.' But I've seen dogs bloat that you would never expect to. So I'm never surprised anymore."

So, that's my bottom line on GDV at this point. Any dog can bloat at any time. I meet people who ask how I can have a GSD when the risk of bloat is so huge. I tell them that their (fill in the name of the breed) can bloat too, so they better read up on it as well.

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Here's what happened to me when Shoshi bloated March 25, 2009.

At 10:50pm I was awaken by Shoshi moving around the bed. She clearly couldn't get comfortable. I thought she might not be feeling good so I decided I would stay up and be with her.

Once up I let everyone outside to go potty but Shoshi didn't return. After a few moments I went outside to find her standing in the bushes. Odd. I coaxed her inside with me where I watched as she again tried unsuccessfully to get comfortable. I kept checking her gums, her heart rate-all normal. I thought it had to be just a tummy ache but in the back of my mind I was thinking Bloat. All I knew for sure was that something was wrong with my baby.

In the wee hours of the night I again let them outside and again she did not return. I remember going out there and finding her lying on the ground. I sat there on the dirt with her watching the stars as I explained how I understood how yucky it was to feel sick. Then we returned inside.

More time passed and still nothing. The gums were fine, the heart rate was fine, her breathing was fine.

Around 4am she had somehow gotten out of my site and into the bedroom where I thought I heard her vomit. I rushed in to find nothing. At that point I could not let her out of my sight.

At 5:20 am it happened. She attempted to vomit and nothing came out. All of the sudden her tummy swelled to twice the size and I knew she had Bloated. I knew my Vets office usually opened early about 6:30 even though their hours were stated to open at 7am. I quickly weighed the difference between waiting and taking her there or getting her to the E Vet which was much further away. The time difference was about 40mins in the worst case senario so I decided to wait for our Vets.

As soon as I saw the Vet Tech approaching the building I screamed at him that I needed help, that my baby had bloated. Poor guy, said 'bloat?' and I yelled, Yes Bloat, do you know what Bloat is????' I was all ready to educate this young man in less than three seconds, but he knew and opened the door for us.

He got the critical information needed from me and was right on the phone with the Vets who then arrived within min's. Shoshi was then rushed in for X-rays and one Vet came out and explained what might happen (ie,tube in her, if surgery needed they will tack the stomach, just the important stuff). Then the door opened and it was confirmed it was Bloat with Torsion. I was led back to see the x-ray and she was already being preped for surgery. The important thing I later learned is that they had the cath is right away. I guess this is am important step as some Vets wait to long and then its too late.

My little hero made it through surgery...I will never forgot this....just seeing her when I walked back to see her. She sat there wobbling back and fouth with the iv in her arm.

Of course, there was that three day critial period afterwards but we got lucky. My little girl is still with me and the pride and joy of my life.

They say dogs can't talk...well, they can't talk with words but they speak volumes with their eyes. I told her as long as she spoke to me with her eyes that I would continue to listen with my heart and we will always communicate just fine.


Rosa

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Re: Bloat [Re: Shilohsmom] #10683
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Wow.


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Re: Bloat [Re: Buoyant Dog] #18071
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Ok - so here is my story...

My worst nightmare became a reality on January 29, 2010 when my 6 yr old male white gsd, Kaspar, bloated. I have known about bloat since I got him as he was my first GSD (and first dog) ever so I did lots of research about the breed. I have tried to read up on it often to see new developments or theories. I was doing the things I had read to do…never fed hour before/after exercise; no gulping water; no raised bowls, etc.

It happened on a Friday. This is significant to Kaspars case as that is garbage day and he is totally freaked out by garbage trucks and other loud trucks/buses. He gets so scared that he shakes and his teeth chatter. They say that stress can sometimes bring on bloat in high anxiety dogs (which he is).

So meals were no different than every other day. He eats around 7am and 7pm every day. That night, about 2 hours after his meal, he started dry heaving. That put me into alert mode. When it happened several times, I got dressed – just in case. He wanted to go outside, but all he did was eat grass and try to continue throwing up. I took him back inside. He had actually done this once before a few months ago and I got him in the bedroom on the bed and he settled down and things got better. This time it didn’t. He stood there in the den in a hunched over position and that is when I popped 2 gas-x down him and got in the car and drove him to the e-vet. I had been constantly looking at his stomach and feeling it and couldn’t feel anything major. I did feel something that I later learned was his spleen. They immediately took him back and did xrays and stated his stomach and spleen were swollen and there was lots of air (not as bad though as the basset hound that came in 10 mins before him). He had to rush into surgery for the basset hound but strongly suggested surgery instead of just tubing, so I told him to go ahead. Once he got in, his spleen had torsed, but not his stomach. He finally had to remove the spleen. He tacked his stomach at that time.

All dogs now get a nice little green surprise in each meal. No waiting anymore – Gas-X is used daily!

Worst night of my life!


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Lori, my heart goes out to you as I read your story. I know how hard it is reliving the worst nights of our lives, but hopefully our stories will help others.


Rosa

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That's what I hope Rosa. Each time we tell our stories, someone may learn something new that will help them if they have to experience it. I know I have learned SO much from reading about others and their experience with bloat. In fact, it helped me know the signs and symptoms and probably helped me to save his life.


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