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Re: Grimm - Before and After raw diet change [Re: mjbgsd] #98772
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I just got our Gsd Odessa in august at 13 months. She had been fed kibble but we immediaately tranitioned her over to raw. She was flown to us so we had a few weeks of decreased appetite. When we got her she had just finished her first heat and had blown her coat. Then we had her spayed and finally she seemed settled in and happy. During this period her coat seemed to improve with very little shedding. We live in the northeast and in September shedding began BUT also change in texture of coat along with massive shedding and dryness. We supplement salmon oil but looking at her coat now wondering about whether the befits of raw are? Her weight and muscle tone good anyone have any ideas? Comments

Re: Grimm - Before and After raw diet change [Re: Kirchnel] #98787
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What are you feeding her, and how much are you supplementing? If the meals aren't balanced then feeding raw can be detrimental to the health and coat. She did just go thru a stress, betweeen the home transition, heat cycle, and spay...thats a big deal in a short time.


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Re: Grimm - Before and After raw diet change [Re: Jane Jean] #98796
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Do you have any pictures to show us? What is her weight and what (and how much) are you feeding her? What supplements are you giving her? As Jane said, she has been through a lot lately, and this surely will have some short-term effect on her overall appearance.


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Re: Grimm - Before and After raw diet change [Re: GrandJan] #98806
10/28/10 02:57 AM
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Glad I found this forum! I know she has gone thru a lot and this is our first time when we got a dog from far away and an older puppy.
We are feeding frozen raw beef, lamb chicken and turkey. It is mixed with bone and some vegetables. We are supplementing with salmon oil and I just (today) started adding vit E to make sure she is absorbing. She is about 65 lbs and on the taller side of standard. Just making it the breeder who raised her said she was about 67 prior to heat. At time of spay she was 60. She has since put her weight back.
I am sending this from my iPad which I don't have pictures on. When I get to my computer I can post if I can figure out how. But not recent. They are of her in full coat when she was with breeder. I can try and get some in the next day or so if it stops raining. We are feeding 2 lbs a day.

Re: Grimm - Before and After raw diet change [Re: Kirchnel] #98818
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If you could give us the ratio of meat to bones, that would be helpful too. Glad to hear you added the Vit. E. What amounts of fish oil and E are you giving her?


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Re: Grimm - Before and After raw diet change [Re: GrandJan] #98820
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Organ meats (in extremely *tiny* amounts) in the mix, too? A raw diet, when correctly balanced, is amazing. smile


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Re: Grimm - Before and After raw diet change [Re: Braverhund] #98822
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I just know that it is80% meat, organ meat and bone with 20% vegetable.

Re: Grimm - Before and After raw diet change [Re: Kirchnel] #98823
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I was able to find a not too good picture but can't find out where to turn enable on to enable HTML? Does anyone know.

Re: Grimm - Before and After raw diet change [Re: Kirchnel] #98828
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Originally Posted By: Kirchnel
I just know that it is80% meat, organ meat and bone with 20% vegetable.

Hmmm, is it pre-packaged? See if you can find anything specific regarding the contents. 20% vegetables shouldn't count. Vegetables are just an added extra - not part of a weighted diet of meat, bones, and organ meat. Unless the 80% is the proper ratio and the vegetables are just thrown in. If that's the case, you're probably paying too much for this food.


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Re: Grimm - Before and After raw diet change [Re: GrandJan] #98865
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The first two pictures are before her heat, before I got her and in the Spring. The last, poor quality (sorry done with phone) photo was taken maybe one week ago.
Thanks for comments
p.s. 80% of the food is the meat, organ and bone mixture. It just says that and 20% vegtables.
There is no other breakdown.
I am giving about 6 pumps of salmon oil (directions were one pump per 10 lbs) and the vit E was 400 IU @ 1/4 tsp and I am giving 1/2 tsp.
Appreciate comments and advice.

Re: Grimm - Before and After raw diet change [Re: Kirchnel] #98952
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Originally Posted By: Kirchnel
80% of the food is the meat, organ and bone mixture. It just says that and 20% vegtables.
There is no other breakdown.
I am giving about 6 pumps of salmon oil (directions were one pump per 10 lbs) and the vit E was 400 IU @ 1/4 tsp and I am giving 1/2 tsp.
Appreciate comments and advice.


Good on the salmon oil, but I would stay at the 1/4 tsp. of E if it equals 400 iu. That's plenty for her.

Unfortunately, we don't have much to work with in regard to her food. I don't like that you have no idea what the ratio is in this package. What do you pay for it? Who makes it? Can you possibly do your own raw food shopping, as in buying everything individually? There we can help you a lot.

She sure is a pretty girl!!


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Re: Grimm - Before and After raw diet change [Re: GrandJan] #100339
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I finally got the info. Her food is beef, chicken, turkey sometimes lamb or rabbit (re rotate). It is 80 % meet, 10% bone and 10% organ of whatever animal i.e. chicken has chicken organs and bones. I took the step into raw and don't see with my schedule buying everything individually. I have cut the vitamin e to 1/4 tsp. and continue to give salmon oil. Any ideas?

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That's too much meat vs. bone, IMO. You should be 60% RMBs/35% MM/5% OM, or at least 50/45/5. How are her poops?


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Re: Grimm - Before and After raw diet change [Re: GrandJan] #100354
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Remember, the vegetables should not factor into the amount of food she gets.

If you do 2 lbs./day at 60/35/5, you would be feeding:

19 oz. RMBs
11 oz. MM
2 oz. OM

If you do 2 lbs./day at 50/45/5, you would be feeding:

16 oz. RMBs
14 oz. MM
2 oz. OM

The vegetables can be added in on top of this food, not calculated in the mix.


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Re: Grimm - Before and After raw diet change [Re: GrandJan] #100359
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Her poops are good. From the get-go just about as I did a change from her breeder's kibble to raw meat when she came to us. Her poops are small in size and firm and turn white in a few days. No smell. The vegtables are not included in the percentages. That is on top of the calculation. I think I am giving 1.6 of OM, 1.6 of bone and 12.8 of muscle meat. Perhaps I am doing it wrong though. I just know it is 80% meat, 10% bone, 10% organ meat per pound. Sorry for my ignorance. Initially, like I said she looked really good and some people have said it is the season now with the shedding of the summer coat etc. But it was a change. I just had her groomed and she looked much better and much hair came off despite my daily brushing according to the groomer.

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