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Re: kennel cough or congestive heart failure? [Re: Braverhund] #86947
09/26/10 04:40 PM
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Poor Indy. frown I'm so sorry, Lisa. I don't know much about KC but, from what others have posted, it seems like something else to me too. Sending *HUGS* your way and pets for Indy. I'll see if Ris can send some of her extra energy to help Indy out. wink


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Re: kennel cough or congestive heart failure? [Re: Braverhund] #86948
09/26/10 04:41 PM
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Lisa I am thinking about you and Indy. I never had a dog with KC. I knew whose dog was on Lasix (fixed spelling) for congestive heart problems. I know he was on it for over a year plus when he had problems breathing she would give him oxygen.

Sending good vibes for you and Indy.

Added a link on Lasix for human, but I know my friend had her dog on it for a long time. http://www.drugs.com/lasix.html

Last edited by Wisc.Tiger_Val; 09/26/10 05:59 PM. Reason: Speilling and put on a link

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Re: kennel cough or congestive heart failure? [Re: Wisc.Tiger_Val] #86952
09/26/10 04:55 PM
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Lisa, since the KC info on the net mentions foamy vomit, and also swollen tonsils, can it be that the tonsils swell enough that she isn't getting enough air? (the staggering, knuckling over/weakness) The air hunger is what caused the stagger-y weakness and inability to walk when my Chell had pneumonia. May this be a case of kennel cough with lots of tonsil involvement? Unsure why her eyes would have symptoms. Is it glassy stare or discharge from her eyes? More positive thoughts flowing out for Indy!


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Re: kennel cough or congestive heart failure? [Re: Braverhund] #86954
09/26/10 05:14 PM
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Poor Indy. frown Lisa, I am thinking of you both. Sorry I have nothing to offer you in your time of need when you have always been such a great help to all of us. I hope that someone is able to shed a little light on this and that sweet Indy recovers quickly. hugging

Re: kennel cough or congestive heart failure? [Re: Lexi] #86964
09/26/10 06:05 PM
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Found a link with some good info. What tests to have done, what drugs are effective

http://www.2ndchance.info/heart.htm

Also check the 4 links near the top of the page.


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Re: kennel cough or congestive heart failure? [Re: Wisc.Tiger_Val] #86966
09/26/10 07:06 PM
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I'm so sorry to hear about Indy's problems, Lisa. You're always so helpful to everyone when we need it. We're all here for you right now and are hoping and praying that this is something minor that will be figured out soon and that Indy recovers soon from this. hugging


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Re: kennel cough or congestive heart failure? [Re: Wisc.Tiger_Val] #86967
09/26/10 07:09 PM
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Oh no!!!!!! Poor, sweet Indy. It does not sound like KC but walking pneumonia is a good thought...

Can you steam her in the bathroom to help with the congestion?

I really hope you are able to figure out what's going on and get her some relief. I did have luck with this mixed homeopathic remedy for dog who had a cold: http://www.homeopet.com/noserelief.html


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Re: kennel cough or congestive heart failure? [Re: Wisc.Tiger_Val] #86968
09/26/10 07:10 PM
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Thank you Jean and Val for the links. We didn't get to sleep until about 4:30, so just getting up now and assessing the situation.

She's sleeping so soundly that I haven't moved her. She slept soundly all through the night, except when she tried to move one time, her legs still collapsing. After that when she was laying down again, there was more drooly stuff from her mouth and she gagged up a tiny amount of stuff. Other than that, she appears restful.

The heart disease does not appear to be implicated - lungs sounded clear with stethoscope and xrays were very clear, and also did not show the type of enlargement that they would have if she were in CHF. Also, she is not panting at all, her respitory rate is low, as is her heart rate.

KC - it appears that this highly unlikely. I might have gone with that "air hunger" stumbly thing, but I don't think she would have been so restful if this were KC.

I thought about poisoning too, and was very concerned about that until about now. Seems less likely - seems like the nasuea and drool is associated with movement.

Can Vestibular Syndrome be this bad???

Thank you so much for all your well wishes. It's so upsetting when they are sick, and kinda scary with these mystery diseases.

Surprise, but thinking about getting her into the chiro asap, which is hard to schedule.

Last edited by MaxaLisa; 09/26/10 07:16 PM.

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Re: kennel cough or congestive heart failure? [Re: MaxaLisa] #86969
09/26/10 07:12 PM
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Do they always have nose issues with KC? Indy's is completely clear, no drips.


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Re: kennel cough or congestive heart failure? [Re: MaxaLisa] #86971
09/26/10 07:24 PM
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Yes, vestibular disease can be that bad. Will a medium webmaster harness fit Indy? Steel outgrew it. I can send it express mail tomorrow morning.

Vets do miss it in the early stages.


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Re: kennel cough or congestive heart failure? [Re: LJsMom] #86972
09/26/10 07:31 PM
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Poor Indy! Thinking of your family. I hope she feels better really soon. I would be terrified if this were happening to my dog so I can't imagine how you must be feeling frown

Re: kennel cough or congestive heart failure? [Re: proudshepmom] #86988
09/26/10 08:50 PM
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Thank you proudshepmom, I'm VERY concerned and worried.

Joanne, thank you so much for your gracious offer! It looks like Indy needs a small, so I just ordered her one from arcatapet - it will ship tomorrow, and they send 2 day mail. Still won't be here soon enough, but just in case I still need it, and good to have here in either case.

She is not gagging or hypersalivating unless moving, or I think if there is food in her stomach. I have four top contenders at this point:

-- an adjustment issue that a chiro can help with (appt at 4:20 today). Is it ironic that my left atlas on my neck is hurting like heck today??

-- toxicity of some sort, possibly drug induced or otherwise

-- stroke?

-- tumor frown

I am hoping that the chiro thing might be the most likely - she had an adjustment recently, and when she sits in the car on the way home with Max, she often contorts herself in weird ways, and it could have moved something in the wrong way. I used to take them separately, might have to again if this afternoon fixes this.

Think horses, not zebras, will be my mantra today.


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Re: kennel cough or congestive heart failure? [Re: MaxaLisa] #86998
09/26/10 08:58 PM
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Just reading this on Vestibular Syndrome:
http://www.marvistavet.com/html/body_vestibular_disease.html

Didn't know it could be caused by Rocky Mountain Spotted Fever.....


MaxaL (aka LisaT)

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Re: kennel cough or congestive heart failure? [Re: bianca] #87000
09/26/10 09:12 PM
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Originally Posted By: bianca
Eye rolling is a symptom and vomiting can be too.

http://www.vara.org/VestibularSyndrome.htm


No eye rolling or head tilt (eye tilt though)....

The link above mentions inflammation of the nerves. Has anyone used an anti-inflammatory to treat Vestibular syndrome?


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Re: kennel cough or congestive heart failure? [Re: MaxaLisa] #87003
09/26/10 09:36 PM
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Oh dear, I am so sorry you and Indy are dealing with this! Sending healing vibes.

My dog is about the same age as Indy and was dxed with congestive heart failure a year ago. I mention this because his lungs still look clear on xrays. But he has a significant murmur that is getting worse and worse and they did a heart ultrasound to dx it. His only symptoms so far (and they say it is 'moderate' chf) are coughing (especially on exertion) and gagging a little like he is going to puke but he doesn't. And he is super tired from short walks or 5 minutes of fetching.

Anyway that is just one experience with congestive heart failure... if she has had an u/s of the heart or a murmur it could be at least part of the problem.


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