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Re: Sudden seizures, paralysis, death in 8.5yo dog [Re: Bcannie] #78798
08/30/10 04:54 PM
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I'm sorry Chris, hope you get some answers. frown


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Re: Sudden seizures, paralysis, death in 8.5yo dog [Re: Castlemaid] #78802
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Wow... I would be upset with the owners as well.. but like other's have said, it's too late now.

I am very sorry for your loss.


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Re: Sudden seizures, paralysis, death in 8.5yo dog [Re: Bcannie] #78803
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Also insecticides in the house to control fire ants etc. Acute poisoning (organophosphates act on the nervous system, cause convulsions that could be mistaken for seizures) or chronic poisoning (Abamectin). Convulsions are not affected by anti-seizure meds.

I've encountered rodenticides and insecticides accessible to pets during a couple of home visits I did for rescue. People sometimes don't connect the dots.

Rachel Carson's 'Silent Spring' is still a good present for those who still use pesticides in their homes and gardens. Beautifully written, a real classic.

But as everyone else already said, w/out a necropsy one cannot know.

I am so sorry, Chris. The need to protect one of our own is strong.


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Re: Sudden seizures, paralysis, death in 8.5yo dog [Re: shepnterrier] #78819
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I'm sorry this happened Chris, or at least I'm sorry you have to bear with the attitude of those owners.

Unfortunately there are so many things that can trigger seizures that without a necropsy... we can keep guessing all day...


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Re: Sudden seizures, paralysis, death in 8.5yo dog [Re: Schnickle Fritz] #78821
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I'm not sure where in Florida they are located but the Gainsville area has had several reported cases of distempter.

Re: Sudden seizures, paralysis, death in 8.5yo dog [Re: Catu] #78825
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Chris, First off I am really sorry this happened.

My guess is some sort of poison. I have seen things like this before but the dog was 10+ years old and the owner did not bother having a necropsy done to confirm anything. There are so many poisons out there that can cause this guessing one over a other would be pointless.

The owner should be drop kicked by the head for calling you first over rushing to the vet.

Re: Sudden seizures, paralysis, death in 8.5yo dog [Re: Phazewolf] #78891
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so sad, and so frustrating!! My first thought were those poisonous toads as well.


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Re: Sudden seizures, paralysis, death in 8.5yo dog [Re: JakodaCD OA] #78913
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Thanks for the feedback guys. I admit, some of these had never occurred to me (like toads!). I know since no necropsy was done we'll never have a real answer, but it sure would be nice. <sigh>

I suspected a toxin of some kind too given the sudden onset and severity of symptoms in an otherwise completely healthy dog, and she did mention they had a lot of lawn and crop treatments in the close vacinity, and a lot of rain recently, and they live in the low spot in the area so the runoff all ends up in their yard. But their other 3 dogs have shown no such symptoms of anything, though it's possible I suppose that if it is a toxin only one was exposed, or got sufficient exposure, to have a problem. My only other thought would be a very aggressive brain tumor. Just strange and shocking to have a dog go from completely healthy to dead in 3 days, with some pretty serious symptoms in between. frown

Re: Sudden seizures, paralysis, death in 8.5yo dog [Re: Chris Wild] #78967
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Wow, I'm so sorry to hear that. I think it's pretty shocking they don't want to see what happened...to each their own I guess...


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Re: Sudden seizures, paralysis, death in 8.5yo dog [Re: GSDElsa] #78987
08/31/10 02:12 AM
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I just want to also say I am so sorry for your loss. The sadness of losing a relatively young dog is certainly amplified by such seemingly clueless actions on the part of the owners.

I would suspect toxins, also. Just as people react differently, dogs would.

Again, so sorry.


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Re: Sudden seizures, paralysis, death in 8.5yo dog [Re: PositiveDog] #78994
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Toxins was the first thing I thought of earlier today when I read you post, Chris. I didn't want to say anything because, like you said, we may never know what it actually was.

Anyway, I'm so very sorry. hugging


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Re: Sudden seizures, paralysis, death in 8.5yo dog [Re: PositiveDog] #78995
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My question is WHY NO necropsy?

It isn't degrading or disrespectful to the deceased. I would want closure and that would be the only option to getting any answers.
Poisoning would be my first thought or head trauma, neuro damage, second.

Rest in Peace Raif. gsdhalo

My sister had one of Onyx's littermates. He got sick a few days after she got him. She had him at the E-vet(fluids,tested neg for parvo/distemper) and after no diagnosis brought him home.
He worsened overnight and passed away, she opted to NOT have the necropsy. I would have paid for it just for my own answers. The pups were BYB's so no contract was involved/no refund given, etc. I still can't understand why she would not have wanted answers...her excuse was she already paid so much for the e-vet, there was not any $ left for the necropsy. She is a human neo-natal nurse, you'd think she'd want to know!! They thought pup got into some anti-freeze after reviewing his whereabouts.
So I think guilt played heavily into her decision.


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Re: Sudden seizures, paralysis, death in 8.5yo dog [Re: Jane Jean] #78999
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I'd be terrified to NOT do the necropsy and tox screen. It may show nothing at all, and be a financial waste and reveal nothing. But, I could never bring another dog home without knowing if it was the lawn chemicals from a neighbor, the bug chemicals from the Bug Man who came monthly, etc. Too scary to not explore the cause.


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Re: Sudden seizures, paralysis, death in 8.5yo dog [Re: Chris Wild] #79080
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Originally Posted By: Chris Wild
.... Just strange and shocking to have a dog go from completely healthy to dead in 3 days, with some pretty serious symptoms in between. frown


My experience is that a lot of folks don't recognize the subtleties of disease, so the dog may not have been completely healthy before. Brain tumors can produce symptoms earlier that sometimes are only picked up by astute observers, similar with tick diseases. Some diseases don't produce obvious external symptoms until it is much too late.

The toxin, toad, etc. here also makes a lot of sense. Could be so many different things.


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Re: Sudden seizures, paralysis, death in 8.5yo dog [Re: MaxaLisa] #79675
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OH Chris, I am so sorry!! hugging


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