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Not my dog #354672
01/30/21 02:59 AM
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I'm friends with Agis's old dog walker. She is an incredibly dedicated walker, loves dogs, and is just amazing with them. I have been friends with her for years, but that's not why we hired her to walk him or to cat sit (which she also does for us) - she's just amazing with animals.

She is now walking a young (though not a puppy) GSD-mix, a recent rescue.

Today is the second time she mentioned he's bit her. He leaves bruises, it's not light, even through a winter jacket/layers. I've seen pictures of her bruising, and I would not consider that to be nothing.

She told me today that he normally bites her at the start of a walk, but she is able to get him under control fairly easily. We live near a large park with trails and she says that when they go to leave and he doesn't want to he goes out of control. Biting at her. She said today she was scared he wasn't going to stop.

The owner is going to bring back the trainer and get a muzzle to let my friend walk her dog with. I asked, and he's walked on a harness.

I suggested the owner move to a martingale collar (at the least). I suspect they're not prong types - we used to walk Agis on a prong sometimes and she always used his martingale. Plus, if they mistime, and it ramps him up more...that's not necessarily a good route.

With it not being my dog or seeing the behaviour, I'm a bit uncertain what if anything I can recommend.

Any thoughts?


Jenn
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Re: Not my dog [Re: jarn] #354674
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Well, right off, I'd recommend that she stop working with this "client". Another not as guaranteed for her safety, option would be to carry high value treats or a special "toy" to use at the start of the walk and when leaving the park -- just make leaving rewarding in it's own way. Another option would be to change where the heck she walks this dog. He's a butt head in these circumstances --- remove the circumstances. If leaving is always on the same path/route out of the park, change that. If starting is always the same direction, change that. Can they leave the house by a different door - or from the yard? AND how does this butt head act with the other people? (aka his owners?)

(and why are the owners not walking this dog? - are they there when the walk starts and staying home? would he act differently if more than one person were on the walk?) (how is he going to act when she tries to muzzle him? Is he already 'dressed' when she arrives or is dressing him (harness) part of the ramp up? when does the crazy stuff start with him - before they leave the house, at the front door, etc?)

So basically - figure it out is what I'm saying. There's just a lot to be considered here as to why (I suspect this behavior is somehow being rewarded or it wouldn't continue.)

Bottom line - she needs to assure her safety. (see paragraph 1) If she persists with this client, can she have someone watch for her (walk with them, drive in a car nearby, be there at the problem spots)?

Re: Not my dog [Re: jarn] #354675
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Thanks middle.

I've dealt with dog aggression and small animal prey drive to an extreme, but not human aggression (or frustration). I suppose the lessons translate, to a degree. Everything you've said makes sense. I know she's stopped walking aggressive dogs before.


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Re: Not my dog [Re: jarn] #354676
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She said she always walks him different routes, and he's well-behaved other than the biting thing.

Apparently his owner was under feeding him (vet told them) so he likes treats. I suggested she do some obedience with him when he acts up to have him do a desired activity, rather than an undesired one.


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I'm wondering is the dog is so excited to go on the walks that he's biting out of excitement? You mentioned he was a new rescue, perhaps he's worried about leaving his new home? Who knows what the dog's been through. I do draw the line with biting. This person sounds like they have experience with dogs so hopefully she knows the difference between play biting and mean biting. If there's any danger to herself I would hope she stop seeing the client.


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Re: Not my dog [Re: jarn] #354682
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Thanks Rosa. I suspect it's overstimulated - at least at leaving the house. The biting leaving the park sounds super bratty (to put it kindly). That she wasn't sure he would stop worries me. So hoping between everyone they get this sorted.


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Re: Not my dog [Re: jarn] #354707
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What if she carried a bite tug? as in "Bite this, not me"... She could initiate a game of tug as they left the house, as they left the park...

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She told me that with the muzzle on he didn't bite leaving (which is cloth; I told her to tell the owners he'll need a basket muzzle to pant, and she said 'Oh he can open his mouth wide with it on) (I mean, what's the point of that?) and that he didn't need it when they left the park.

It's my impression that further advice, at least at this time, is not wanted. Maybe I'm misreading on texts, but she gave off a 'all sorted' vibe.


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Re: Not my dog [Re: jarn] #355231
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Apparently he's been far better behaved, and I just met him, he was well-behaved and a very good boy.

His owner said 'I found a lump on him' and my friend (his walker) was like 'I think that's a tick'. So she texted me to see if we had a tick remover, we found it and she came to the building (stayed outside) and I used the tick lasso to remove it and then crushed the tick on the ground (I think on the other forum I heard they can't drown, not that there was a water source outside). It was a big one.

Eww, ticks :shudder:


Jenn
Neb, Xerxes, and Agis
Timothy and Cordelia (kitties)
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Jenn, next tick drop it in a small bit of alcohol (not the drinking kind!). Crushing them releases all sorts of nasty body fluids - the stuff you want to avoid. - confession here - I have ground them to oblivion between rocks - which is not ideal either.

But good news that the dog seems fine. Thanks for the update on that.

Re: Not my dog [Re: jarn] #355233
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Thanks middle! It really was that I was outside (COVID; they can't come into the building) and that seemed to be the best way to kill it. But that is good to know, good to know for the future.


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