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Maybe Heat Exhaustion/vomiting #353066
06/22/20 07:13 PM
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This in Neb, so non-GSD.

We went up north for the weekend since Saturday was our anniversary and Sunday Toby's birthday.

The days were hot - 30C - and sunny. We were staying in cabins (no AC or fans). Xerxes likes to chew wires so we had the bedroom door shut (at home we have a gate) Friday night. Saturday we put a chair in front of it and that kept the dogs in and better air flow.

We swam Saturday morning (so did Neb) then relaxed reading. The dogs were on tie outs, and had access to shade and water, though Neb lay in the sun (he's part husky and double coated). I figured - well, if he's hot, he'll come into the shade.

Saturday he ate around 5pm, around 7pm I was making dinner and he threw up 3 times, kibble, in the space of a minute and a half. There was a firepit, and over the last year (when it hasn't been hot), he's eaten charcoal and grass while camping and puked. So we didn't fuss. Then as we were going to bed, he threw up three more times. And once while we slept (well, I slept - Toby is a light sleeper and apparently Neb paced all night - but he didn't hear the puking).

He was obviously unwell when we woke up - so the plans for the day to hike were off and we headed for home. He had a big drink then I took him out and he vomited water 2 times. About 2hrs south is the nearest emergency vet - by this time, we figured he had heat exhaustion and need sub-q fluids - we stopped there but they had a 4-6 hr wait and we figured Toronto/home was the better bet - and an hour away. He puked in the car once. We went straight to the e-vet. We were there around 4, 4.5hrs, but they did do bloodwork.

Of note - on tenting, they saw about 5% dehydrated. Hemo (I think?) concentrated and low potassium - his electrolytes were off. They said sub-q fluids wouldn't be enough because of how much he'd vomited. They said we could do x-rays to check for a mass or obstruction - but he's not like an eater of socks - and we decided to wait to see how he responded to the IV fluids.

He stayed overnight, I woke up at 5am to call and see how he was - better - so we didn't do x-rays. They were feeding him small amounts of food and he was keeping them down.

I picked him up just before 8am. He's walking slower, but better than he was on Sunday. He ate a small amount of kibble when he got home, and I regulated his water intake. He's sleeping a lot, but is probably exhausted from the ordeal - I know I am!

Last edited by MaxaLisa; 06/23/20 12:46 AM. Reason: change title

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Re: Heat Exhaustion [Re: jarn] #353067
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You might want to try an ultra sound. I would be watchful.

I had one dog have a heat related issue. It was dramatic, did not involve vomit, cooled her down and that seemed to do it. She was barrel chested, long coat and it was summer in the south. It was at the end of a trail ride (short ride in the coolest part of the day). So I just don't know about your guy... I'd be worried that it wasn't just the heat.

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Thanks middle. Ultrasounds have to be done by specialists (the e-vet we went to is a small one 10 minutes away), and I'm not sure how long it would take to get an appointment, especially due to COVID. I spoke to our regular vet today, said he's sleeping a lot (me making a sandwich held no interest) and they said to give it to tomorrow.

I'm hoping since he's keeping down food and water again it really was just gastroenteritis from heat. But if he worsens maybe we'll take him to the bigger e-vet across town.


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Toby thought he was tired because of being sick and pacing all Saturday night. But he ate at home (a small meal) and went out at 1pm, peed a bunch, pooped once (a bit soft, but partial forms).


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Re: Maybe Heat Exhaustion/vomiting [Re: jarn] #353072
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I agree with middle, this doesn't sound like heat exhaustion - the first signs you will see are panting and distress and a really red tongue, and I don't think they would vomit unless they were being really active, and not in the continuous way that you describe.

I would be more concerned about a stomach infection, or as they suggested, an obstruction or partial obstruction. I think that they can also have these symptoms early in the bloat process, but I suspect that the vet could have felt if the stomach was bloated. Did he have any chewies like rawhides?

Do you have a copy of the bloodwork that you could post as a picture or upload somewhere and link to?


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Re: Maybe Heat Exhaustion/vomiting [Re: jarn] #353077
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He doesn't get rawhides. And I can't think of a thing that would've caused an obstruction.

She couldn't feel bloat, and I've looked at the symptoms, he has one (vomiting) and I don't think the others. He's ~40lbs, so she should be able to feel it. Heat exhaustion does cause vomiting, and he had several of the heat exhaustion symptoms, including panting. Sunday going home his gums were red and so were his paws.

I have a copy of the blood work but it's an email. The only real abnormality was the potassium was low. Otherwise he is very healthy. I'd wondered about pancreatitis, as he had that when he was a year and a half, but not on the blood work they did (though they didn't do the specific test, and as the vet noted, the fluids regime basically is the treatment for that anyways).

He's perked up throughout today, and is holding down food/water. Normally we're feeding him 80g/twice a day, he got 50g this morning (plus food at e-vet) and 70g tonight. He has perked up enough that he was grooming us and sat under the table when we ate - far more normal for him!

He seems to be out of the woods.


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Re: Maybe Heat Exhaustion/vomiting [Re: jarn] #353079
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Oh and I know the title got edited but when he was discharged his dx was gastroenteritis secondary to heat exhaustion.


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Re: Maybe Heat Exhaustion/vomiting [Re: jarn] #353080
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Glad to hear that he is all better.


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Re: Maybe Heat Exhaustion/vomiting [Re: jarn] #353082
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Well mostly all better (we hope). Will keep an eye out and if he doesn’t full improve or get worse we’ll definitely look for obstruction/masses and try to cover off the bloat too.

Thanks - I am just so exhausted I can barely think straight. I’m not my usual self - I hope a good night’s sleep makes all the difference. Just heading to bed now.


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Re: Maybe Heat Exhaustion/vomiting [Re: jarn] #353088
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I feel way better this morning! And Neb is doing better too. He kept down his dinner and had quite a normal poop.

Anyways, I am not feeling foggy today. Yesterday everything was misty and I felt overwhelmed by everything. I didn't even tell my best friend what was going on, I couldn't muster the words.


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I'm late to this but greatly relieved by Neb's improvement. I can really sympathize with your feeling overwhelmed. You're only sure you are doing the right thing when your guy is well again-but during the process you have to rely on what you know at that moment.

take it easy-all of you.

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Sorry, I'm also late to your thread but relieved to hear he is doing better now and acting more like himself. Glad you got a good night's sleep. When our pets are sick it takes a toll on us too.


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Re: Maybe Heat Exhaustion/vomiting [Re: jarn] #353097
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It does - I overslept this morning, but I think I still needed it - still, so much for Agis's morning walk - oops!

He continues to do well, and get stronger. His energy is WAY more normal. It's such a relief.


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With the vomiting after the panting, it sounds like it was a pretty bad cause of heat exhaustion - I am glad he continues to improve.


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Thanks Lisa! He's pooping pretty normally now, no vomiting, strength is pretty well normal again, as is his energy. We've avoided doing much with him outside though.


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Oh Jenn, I don't know how I missed this. It's especially scary to have things happen with the pups when we are away from home, and worse during a pandemic. How's Neb doing now? Last read he was back to normal.


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Rosa, thanks for asking - he puked once yesterday, but also had a HUGE mucuous-y poop he had to ask to go out for - he's fine today, we think he ate something that didn't agree with him - it's not like it was before. But still, keeping an eye out. If he'd just puked and not pooped I'd be more concerned, but the yucky poop makes me think that he ate something that was off (Toby thinks too many treats, but he didn't get a lot yesterday - we did minimal training).


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I did the same thing (too many treats) on Kody's birthday. That night someone got the runs. I felt bad as I kind of knew I was giving them too many treats that day.

Glad your boy is feeling better today. It's just so scary when something happens when were away from home.


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Thanks Rosa - it is scary. We're home now, but it was stressful while we were up there because the nearest emergency vet was 2 hours away and it happened on a Saturday night/Sunday morning, when no local vets were open.


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Same thing happened on one of my road trips. Shoshi had heat stroke and the nearest Vet was a couple of hours away, so I know the fear.


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