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Nova's first class #351695
11/17/19 09:29 PM
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I really really love Nova, but I do not really handle her well. We went to a "family manners" class where my main goal is to learn to keep her attention. It was pretty instructive. There were 6 other dogs , all 9-12 months except for one 6 month puppy. The other dogs were attending their owners-or at least not fascinated with the other dogs. Nova thought she was there to play. When we had exercises and I could get her attention, of course she did everything immediately. Fortunately, by the end of the hour she did notice me more than the dogs-but just barely. We have a way to go and 5 more classes.

MJ

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Re: Nova's first class [Re: Mary Jane] #351696
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I took Caleb and Ciara to obedience classes when they were puppies. They did pretty well, but I know that if I took either of them in to a family manners class, I'd probably have the same experience as you. Since they are not often around other dogs, I get everything from let's play to let's bark at any dog who comes near me. Hope things go well for you in the class.


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Re: Nova's first class [Re: Mary Jane] #351698
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Good luck with the classes! I hope they really work out and help you achieve the main objective!


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Re: Nova's first class [Re: DarkEyes] #351699
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That sounds like a good idea. I bet Nova is a rock star in class in no time at all. wub I haven't seen a picture of her lately, can you post some when you get a chance.

My 'first' pups always go to classes. That was true with Shiloh and again with Kody. I think both of mine would benefit from a class setting but it just costs so much. Glad to know your able to do it with Nova. Please keep us posted on how she does.


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Re: Nova's first class [Re: Mary Jane] #351723
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It is very normal for her to be checking out her environment. It will take time for her to acclimate and get used to the other dogs. Give her a few weeks. Also gsd are very aware of their surroundings by their nature.

I once had an obedience judge tell me Kayos was aware of everything going on the show grounds including what we were doing. she looked like she was paying attention to me and she was. She was also paying attention to her surroundings. The judge had Tervuren. He was right.


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Re: Nova's first class [Re: Mary Jane] #351772
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Originally Posted by Mary Jane
We have a way to go and 5 more classes.


I bet by the 5th class she will pass with flying colors! thumbup


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Re: Nova's first class [Re: Mary Jane] #351815
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I think all young dogs benefit from classes, and most older dogs too! That's great you are going to class.

Sounds like Nova is quick and smart, and that can be more difficult for the handler. I do think the slowest progress is often at the beginning, so good that there was improvement by the end of class. Hope the next classes go well!


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I think Nova is doing better than Agis will! I hope we can go to classes soon, but it sounds like you guys did great for a first class!


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Re: Nova's SECOND class [Re: Mary Jane] #351885
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Long story-but real progress. Between class 1 and class 2, Nova spent 1 week in boarding with day care and Thanksgiving week there was no class. She can be needy after boarding-but this time was just glad to be home and pretty biddable. In class she paid pretty good attention to me-but I also felt freer to do what works with her. For instance, we were supposed to back up and the leashed dog to follow. This is not exactly challenging for Nova, so I jogged in circles and she pranced to follow me. Nova does not like the instructor and the instructor is a little skeptical.

Lets see next week.

MJ

Re: Nova's SECOND class [Re: Mary Jane] #351886
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Maybe Nova is feeding off the instructor's feeling towards her. When I taught some basic OB classes I only had problems with one dog a Shih Tzu. I had fear issues and I thought maybe if we went outside and sat on the grass and I would toss treat to her she would see me as less of a threat. She did OK, but I pushed her a little too fast and she bit me. I still thought there was a good dog in there under her fear issues.

I would let students change things up if needed to suit their dog better. The class was good manners, not preparing for competition. But we did fun things to build confidence like agility dog walk, so weaves and some small jumps. Then we would do owner hidden recalls. I just wanted the owners and the dogs to have fun learning new things.


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Re: Nova's SECOND class [Re: Mary Jane] #351913
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Sounds like progress!

Indy did not particularly like our trainer because she was intimidated. Max was not keen in the later part of training because he didn't respect her and she was heavy on the alpha stuff. I hope that that doesn't get in the way of your training.

I have found the best results in the beginning are when we train during play, which is much like the leash exercise you describe.


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Thanks Val and Lisa. I'm glad that you both mention fun and play because Nova is incredibly playful and I am trying to use that. We just have 1 more class in this session-but I really hope to do the best thing for her. Our goal is not "sit and down"-she does that fine. It's stay connected with me despite distractions.

MJ

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With jazz I used things she wanted to help with recall, and sticking close near me. Not a formal heel, but just to make being near me something where good things happen. I was getting pretty good at starting to build self-control - longer waits for things she wanted when we were moving and playing, but had to stop there when everything fell apart with my folks. She still doesn't have great self-control.

Good luck with the training, can be so fun and so frustrating.


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Re: Nova's THIRD class [Re: Mary Jane] #351930
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A step backwards frown. Of 7 dogs, only Nova and one other showed up and the instructor moved quickly with only 2 dogs to work with. I didn't keep Nova's attention as well as I wanted. She really is not fond of the instructor. When she approached us and Nova was just behind me, she asked me if Nova had any protection or guard training. I guess Nova gave her a hard look. The atmosphere, me included, was not the best.

OTOH, Nova did everything I asked, once. When we were supposed to repeat whatever-lying on a mat without cues-Nova declined.

We'll do more classes, just not with this instructor.

MJ

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The toughest thing about classes is standing up for your dog. At least for me that's the toughest thing. I remember very well the times I screwed up on that one. The thing I like about club is you handle your own dog and if you don't buy into their "corrections" you just don't buy into them. Frustrates some training directors but so what.

And yeah, the dogs pick up on it when the handler is not buying the program. Real quick they pick up on that.

Really, if you've got an IGP/IPO/Schutz. club around that will let you work with them, it's a great atmosphere for working around other dogs. On the field there may be four other dogs and the field is pretty large. I really like it for getting dogs used to working around other dogs, being around other dogs. One club seldom had other dogs out observing but occassionally did. The other club has this more as a standard thing. I tend to keep my dogs put up when they are not working. But training a long down with other dogs working --- it's really pretty great.

So maybe you want to look around for something a little different than "group obedience classes"?

(and yes, I had my youngest (6 yo now) out on a field with NO OTHER DOGS yesterday and her attention was, lets say not exactly on me all the time the way it I want. Kinda "hey look a blade of grass!" which is worse than "hey look a squirrel." ) So yeah, somedays you got it, some days you don't.

Keep plugging away. I'd like to say it gets better (it does really, they hadn't been out for over a month.)...

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Thanks a lot Middle for the advice and pep talk. I don't know about a REAL dog club with Nova as an observer-but it makes a lot of sense.

I can try just plain old train with decreasing distance and increasing duration to distraction. There is an area that lots of people use for dog walking with space to watch and not interact. The winter is just a bad time to start-people walk their dogs before I get home in the evening.

Nova is just too good not to devote some thinking/acting on my part.

MJ

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I think this is great experience no matter what. I don't like the sound of this trainer you had last, but go with someone else for next time. Nova is no doubt loving the time with you.


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I hope you can find a better place to train. Sometimes there are dog groups in your area on meetup.com - I've seen them in my area, but don't know how good they are, this is where I found our dog hiking group.

I agree with middle about learning to speak for your dog. I had this issue with Indy - took me awhile to learn. I think the same is true vets. Veterinarians and trainers - really hard to find the right ones.


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