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Re: Heidi has vestibular syndrome [Re: Karin] #349498
12/04/18 01:36 PM
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So encouraging to hear the good news! thumbup She looks so content in the pics.


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Re: Heidi has vestibular syndrome [Re: Karin] #349500
12/04/18 02:04 PM
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Karin I am so glad that Heidi Bear is doing better. She looks so content in the second picture.


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Re: Heidi has vestibular syndrome [Re: Karin] #349510
12/05/18 04:52 PM
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It's great to read this post and see improved Heidi (almost) in the flesh.

thanks,
MJ

Re: Heidi has vestibular syndrome [Re: Mary Jane] #349534
12/11/18 03:22 AM
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What a wonderful update happyboogie I especially love the pictures of the lovely lady. wub I'm so glad she's made such a good recovery.


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Re: Heidi has vestibular syndrome [Re: Karin] #349630
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Thank you for all the replies! I just wanted to give an update on Heidi. It'll be a month tomorrow since her vestibular attack and she is doing SO much better. She is pretty much back to normal again as far as the vestibular symptoms go.

The problem right now is that she has had diarrhea since the weekend. I kept thinking it was going away but this morning it was mostly liquid again (light brown, not black or bloody). She's been drinking a lot, still has a good appetite and seems OK, other than a bit listless.

I want to take her to the vet but I'm writing to find out what medication is safe for Heidi to take. On the Vestibular Disease Facebook page I'm on, I'm reading that what my vet will probably prescribe (Metronidazole/Flagyl) can sometimes actually cause vestibular problems. I looked online and found that Metronidazole can cause something called Metronidazole toxicosis, which can actually cause vestibular problems.

Can anyone recommend an alternative medication that I can ask for?

Here are some links that talk about Metronidazole and vestibular disease:

https://neuropetvet.com/toxicology/intracranial-dzmetronidazole-toxicity/

https://todaysveterinarypractice.com/head-tilt-in-dogs-a-clinical-approach/ :

"Metronidazole Toxicity

Metronidazole administration can cause central vestibular or cerebellar dysfunction in dogs, typically following chronic administration of doses that exceed 60 mg/kg q24h. Diagnosis is based on history and clinical signs. Treatment includes cessation of metronidazole therapy and supportive care. It has been shown that diazepam administration (0.5 mg/kg PO q8h for 3 days) significantly reduces recovery time in affected dogs."

Thanks for any recommendations!


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Re: Heidi has vestibular syndrome [Re: Karin] #349633
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My experience is that metro toxicity is related to dosage and length of treatment. Indy was paralyzed by using it long term for lyme treatment. Max would get wobbly on kitchen floors after three days of the recommended dose. I know the symptoms to watch for in Jazz, which are either wobbliness, or hyperactivity of the CNS causing spastic movements.

It is very effective in quickly resolving gut issues and inflammation. I still needed it for Max and would give only in the morning for three days and skip the afternoon dose, than stop for a week and pulse again if needed. Not ideal. Jazz has a higher tolerance, and so did Indy. Jazz's IMS is extremely cautious about using it longer term and does not have as many reservations short term. (I use it here as needed for her IBD.)

Tylan is often effective, or panacur, depending on what is being treated. (Jazz doesn't tolerate tylan.) I think of Tulane more as a long term option, and panacur for things that cause cysts like worms or spirochetes.

I have also used amoxicillin and doxycycline successfully for gut issues.

Don't forget the probiotics!


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Re: Heidi has vestibular syndrome [Re: Karin] #349634
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Indy, 5/1997-10/2010, RIP my friend, my teacher

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