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Re: Only constant in life is change... [Re: DnP] #348305
07/25/18 11:25 PM
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The rescue didn't have a record of the severity, just that it was advanced. Bennie was a back yard dog for years.

He had a difficult time with treatment. His back was so swollen on one side and he walked like an arthritic old man. Even on prednisone, he was pretty stoved up. He was generally not in good shape.

I did as you did and took him to my vet (where I work) at the 30 day mark and had all his blood work and a urinalysis run. The tests were surprisingly good. The only concern was his thyroid. He registered as low as he could be and still be in the normal range.

If his thyroid is off, that may be what contributed to him being so lethargic. However, Ruth, another member here fostered a heartworm positive dog and he took awhile to recover as well.

We're going to rerun a thyroid panel at the end of August after being on better foods and supplements.

I'm sorry it's so difficult keeping Bentley quiet. The risk, of course, is dying worms blocking his heart of lungs as they die off. That's why absolutely no jumping.

It can take 6 months or more before the heart and lungs retain strength.


Bonnie

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Re: Only constant in life is change... [Re: DnP] #348306
07/26/18 11:56 AM
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Middle...absolutely awesome! Best advice EVER!!! Was contemplating using an ecollar on him when I'm home since positive reinforcement hasn't been working.

Bonnie, even with the load of worms Bentley had, I'm surprised at the energy he had before starting the protocol and during treatment. Knowing he had a large load, that's why I keep telling my SO that it's imperative we keep him as quiet as possible. The rescue's vet was involved in the clinical trials for this protocol when he was in vet school. The trial dogs were in a shelter in Florida and could not have any activity restrictions in that environment. He said during the trials, none of the dogs on the protocol had complications. With that said, Dr. Bruce was adamant in telling us to keep activity as low key as possible. He said leashed SLOW walks were ok but like you said, no jumping, ball throwing, chasing squirrels/chipmunks. I think my SO failed to keep listening after the "none of he dogs on the protocol had complications. We have not seen/heard any coughing (even before treatment started), but he breathes rapid shallow breaths while resting. He was on pred and doxy for nearly 2 months prior to the injections and was kept on pred and doxy for 30 days after the first shot.

I didn't realize it would take that long for the heart and lungs to regain strength. I was told that he could still test positive at his 6 month test but not to worry.

How was/is Bennie's appetite? Before we started the injections, Bentley had a fantastic appetite but since the first shot, it been a struggle to get him to eat a full meal. I've taken to adding canned food to his kibble but am now thinking I may try some home cooked for him. He's lost the weight we were able to put on him before the injections. Since my SO has retired, I've broken up the meals to 3 smaller meals per day to see if that helps...some days he'll eat all three and on others, like this morning, he had no interest in eating.


Diana

Bentley...the light that brought me out of the darkness.

RIP Phoenix (Brightstar rescue) 2006 - 5/6/2017
RIP Dakota 1/5/1993 - 10/23/2006
Re: Only constant in life is change... [Re: DnP] #348307
07/26/18 05:26 PM
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Bennie ate very little at the shelter, but within days was eating well here. He gets goat milk with his food twice a day. I wonder if Bentley's loss of appetite is from treatment, or is a German shepherd thing. Skye would go off food sometimes all her life. You might try goat milk. It's great for them and might coax him to eat.

Bennie did get doxy and pred leading to the first shot, then for the 30 days before shot 2 and 3. Our vet continued pred on a tapered dose for a month after the treatment ended.

Bennie panted a lot, even with little exertion. He even would huff in his sleep and I worried about that. It seems like that lasted a long time, but now I can't remember when it stopped.

I've really just started to relax with Bennie, although our walk this morning may have been a little long for him. He still doesn't have a lot of stamina.


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Re: Only constant in life is change... [Re: PositiveDog] #348308
07/26/18 06:39 PM
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I'm with you wondering if the appetite is from treatment or a German shepherd thing. I am also wondering if a lack of exercise/activity is contributing to it as well. Phoenix would go off food at times too or decide he just didn't want to eat what he'd been eating for the past year...whether it be kibble, homecooked or raw. I was hoping to finally have a shepherd who actually ate with gusto and/or with consistency. wink I will look into getting some goat's milk at the farmer's market and trying that. I tried adding bone broth last week and that didn't entice him one bit. I'm wondering if when we first got him and while he was on the higher does of pred if that attributed to his great appetite and as the pred was tapered after the second shot and now getting no pred if this is his natural appetite...Still going to try the goat's milk! Thanks for the suggestion!

So Bennie's panting has stopped? Dakota was a heavy panting dog thru his entire life, so I wasn't so concerned about Bentley's panting while he's awake as much as the rapid breathing when he's sleeping/napping. I'm sure I'm going to take note of it more now.


Diana

Bentley...the light that brought me out of the darkness.

RIP Phoenix (Brightstar rescue) 2006 - 5/6/2017
RIP Dakota 1/5/1993 - 10/23/2006
Re: Only constant in life is change... [Re: DnP] #348310
07/26/18 10:41 PM
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I know about nothing regarding HW treatment, but wondering if you treated with probiotics after the doxy? Some dogs do great on it, others not as great. A number of people dogs have done well on the mercola pet probiotics.

Does CoQ10 help the heart after HW treatment?


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Re: Only constant in life is change... [Re: DnP] #348312
07/27/18 12:09 AM
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Lisa, absolutely had Bentley on a probiotic while on the doxy. Don't have it in front of me but is one recommended by the holistic vet. We saw a HUGE improvement with his poop after he finished the doxy.

The Holistic vet also has us giving him Standard Process Allerplex for lung/upper respiratory support. She didn't want to have him on too many supplements yet but we will be revisiting some heart support. Bentley is not ready to be still enough for acupuncture yet. He was barely willing to be still enough for a chiro adjustment. She was able to adjustment him prior to his first shot and another three days before his 2nd and 3rd shots. His spine has a bit of a roller coaster look to it so once we hit the 4 week post injection mark, I'm hoping she can do more work on him.


Diana

Bentley...the light that brought me out of the darkness.

RIP Phoenix (Brightstar rescue) 2006 - 5/6/2017
RIP Dakota 1/5/1993 - 10/23/2006
Re: Only constant in life is change... [Re: DnP] #348345
08/08/18 01:21 AM
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When max came here way back when, he could barely stand on all fours. Chiro and a bit of acupuncture worked wonders for him. Our chiro and I were pretty annoyed we didn't take before and after pics, but sounds like he is in the best of hands. I hope all is still going well.

Love the Allerplex. I use it here for my allergies :-)


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Re: Only constant in life is change... [Re: DnP] #348356
08/09/18 11:33 AM
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We have an appointment Saturday for the next round of chiro and to see if Bentley will allow the vet to stick some needles in him for a little acupuncture. The boy is definitely feeling better everyday and his energy has returned in full force. We have our 30 day post injection appt. with a new vet on Monday. We are changing vets with Bentley only because we are now an hour away from our old vet and he's reduced his hours with the large practice to only Tuesday nights an maybe a Friday night once a month. I wanted a vet closer to us as a "just in case". We had been referred to the dental vet at this practice by my old vet when Phoenix broke a tooth. I really liked the folks we met at this practice back then, so I feel comfortable with the switch. Bonus is that my holistic vet has other animals she sees going to this practice and finds the other vets to be very on board with working her.

Unfortunately, I lost another two drag leashes to the chew monster. headbang Good thing we are nearing the end of the "quiet period."

Oh, and I also found the key to getting Bentley to eat...I added some chicken and bone broth. groovy


Diana

Bentley...the light that brought me out of the darkness.

RIP Phoenix (Brightstar rescue) 2006 - 5/6/2017
RIP Dakota 1/5/1993 - 10/23/2006
Re: Only constant in life is change... [Re: DnP] #348373
08/10/18 03:20 PM
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Sounds like things may be coming together - hope you don't lose anymore leashes!

I have always believed that a lot picky eaters are that way because of food issues, which could be very minor. Glad you figured out the chicken and bone broth. I am a huge fan of giving dogs bone broth!


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