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Re: need advice [Re: jlstudent1970] #347487
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Hi, everyone. Vonn seems okay with the pro plan so I will continue it. However, I have a question about citric acid for a preservative in dog food. Has anyone heard anything bad about this? Does anyone feed a dry food with this in it? I ask this because I researched a food called nutrisource and I think I will be trying it if pro plan ever fails. But it has citric acid in it as a preservative, I heard it can cause gas a such, but I want to see what you guys think.

Re: need advice [Re: jlstudent1970] #347489
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Citric acid - a natural part of the Krebs cycle to metabolize foods and produce energy. It's being used in the food as an antioxidant to keep fats from going rancid.
There's so much out there that puts negative spin on all kinds of things with only a minimal amount of evidence. Since it occurs naturally in the body, I don't think I (personally) would worry about it that much.


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Re: need advice [Re: Woodreb] #347492
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Without looking it up, I believe there was (maybe still is) belief that when citrus acid is used as a preservative in dog food that it may contribute to Bloat. The thought is when the food hits the stomach it tends to expand quite a bit.


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Rosa - You're right, but this was based on one isolated study and there is not a huge amount of data to support the supposition. If you look on an ingredient list, the further down the list, the less the amount of a given ingredient. In my experience with antioxidents, the concentration is pretty low, like ppm (part per million) range concentrations. If it were me, I'd worry about things that are far more concentrated in a formulation.
I don't think that bloat and the causes of bloat are very well understood.

Certainly the food expands in the stomach, but we're talking about a kibble that isn't hydrated and then you basically add a lot of water/liquid that makes it expand.

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Does anyone have this in their dog food?

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Originally Posted By: Woodreb
Rosa - You're right, but this was based on one isolated study and there is not a huge amount of data to support the supposition. If you look on an ingredient list, the further down the list, the less the amount of a given ingredient. In my experience with antioxidents, the concentration is pretty low, like ppm (part per million) range concentrations. If it were me, I'd worry about things that are far more concentrated in a formulation.
I don't think that bloat and the causes of bloat are very well understood.

Certainly the food expands in the stomach, but we're talking about a kibble that isn't hydrated and then you basically add a lot of water/liquid that makes it expand.


Your right as well my friend. I moisten down the dry food before I give it to them so if there is any expansion it will happen more in the bowl than in their tummies. But like you mentioned, its so far down in the list of ingredients the I don't worry about it.


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Re: need advice [Re: jlstudent1970] #347498
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JS - let me be blunt. Quit fussing on your dog's food! You've found something that works. He eats it, his "output" is fine, he doesn't exhibit digestive issues. Go with it.

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Middle, your right. I guess I get to caught up on the internet with these so called "fancy foods" that I think Purina is junk. However I am learning to understand that if it works for my dog I shouldn't be so food critical. By the way I found out why Vonn was vomiting bile, it was an empty stomach in the morning. So since I been feeding him a little early breakfast it has stopped. It wasn't the Purina after all.

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Sometimes a little bedtime snack helps with that kind of problem as well.


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Re: need advice [Re: Woodreb] #347512
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I agree with Woodreb, I give Neilla a biscuit at bedtime because she would throw up once in a while in the morning.


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Re: need advice [Re: Woodreb] #347515
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It is strange because I always give him a handful of kibble around 9pm, and it doesn't work. I just noticed it works when he eats something about 8am and then I take him out around 10am.

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Re: need advice [Re: jlstudent1970] #347516
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I'm just asking this question because of your last statement. Are you feeding him once or twice a day? It kind of sounded like only once, but maybe I'm not reading your post correctly. I would definitely split his food up and feed at least twice a day. That might help the bile problem.


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Re: need advice [Re: Kris] #347517
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My guys have breakfast around 6am and dinner around 6pm.


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Re: need advice [Re: Kris] #347518
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I feed twice a day. 9am and 6pm. And a snack at 9pm. After that I can't see how he has an empty stomach. But like I said I started feeding him earlier and that seemed to help. The only thing I can think of with this empty stomach is that he is alimenting too much. He goes about 2x a day, but his stool is a lot. Just a thought.

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