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Advice needed #346398
12/21/17 07:57 PM
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Zisso has become restless. It started last night. Almost like he just isn't comfortable. Or able to get comfortable. This 'could' have to do with it being too warm in the house. I am 99% certain it is not bloat. He is breathing perfectly, has no abdominal swelling-his tummy is soft. He is urinating and defecating properly. This could also be that he has some arthritis so laying on certain surfaces might be tough on his joints. Either way, his pacing, wanting under my desk (where electrical cords prevent him from being) and constant discomfort have me concerned. I have opened windows, like the bathroom window-he used to lay in my bathroom all the time, but not so much anymore (since I changed the rug in there)

Last night I gave him turmeric for his joints. He limps fairly regular now after playing fetch. He continued pacing and being restless, so I finally gave him 10mgs Melatonin to help him settle down. I also gave him a GasX in case his tummy was upset(still, no symptoms other than being restless). He did settle and actually slept through his last potty trip out last night.

Today I just took him for a walk (about 8 blocks), came home opened bathroom window, gave him the regular rug to lay on and still he tried to get under my desk, and is just plain restless. At the moment, he is outside cooling off from our walk.

He has never been like this. He has always settled nicely, accepted whatever we do or don't do.

Any ideas?


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Re: Advice needed [Re: Zisso] #346399
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I think based on his discomfort level that it might be best to take him to the Vet. Are his gums nice and pink? When you feel him is there any areas that seem uncomfortable or painful to him? I'd keep the Gas x strips going just to be on the safe side. Can you put a fan on him to see if that helps cool him off?


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Re: Advice needed [Re: Shilohsmom] #346401
12/21/17 09:51 PM
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Rosa, Good advice!

I always make sure I keep Gas X on hand and I am still giving it. Makes me feel better even if it is funny how he drools when I give it to him. I have poked and prodded him all day and nothing seems amiss. No noticeable pain, tummy is a little tight but not hard this afternoon. He is very clingy, and that is not really him. I will go get the box fan in a bit and try that tonight.

Thank you for responding do quick!

PS We were just at the vet last week because of one ear. He had been acting like it was infected again (Had an ear infection last May) and I have had to clean with with special solution, every other day and put steroids in it daily. I stopped all treatments yesterday. It was very dirty but not infected this time. Of course he wasn't acting restless when we were there last week either so of course we couldn't address it. Ughhh, I hate it when something is wrong! This is the exact reason why I decided against getting a pup right now though. Older dogs can get expensive!

Last edited by Zisso; 12/21/17 09:55 PM.

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Re: Advice needed [Re: Zisso] #346404
12/22/17 01:11 AM
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You might want to take in a urine specimen. Skye never presented like most dogs with UTIs, but would start acting strange. Her vet learned to just run the test and would sometimes be surprised how bad it was. Seniors in nursing homes react strangely to UTIs as well,and their doctors more routinely check them.

And, of course I'll mention Cholidin. The description of Zisso trying to get under your desk concerns me. For Skye, the smaller the space the better and she would even try to squeeze under chairs. Cholidin was a life saver for her the last couple years of her life.

I hope things get better quickly.


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Re: Advice needed [Re: PositiveDog] #346406
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Well that changes things a lot, Bonnie. I never ever thought of a UTI. Guess I will get him in tomorrow. Dang it!


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Re: Advice needed [Re: Zisso] #346407
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Might be a long shot, but is there bad weather near or not so near to you? Maybe he's sensing some type of environmental change???

I know what you mean about Vet bills for our lovely seniors, they seem to add up really quickly as there is always something. One thing I did with Kody was to get health insurance for him. So at least if something goes on with him I won't be hit with a big Vet bill.

Please update us as time allows.


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Re: Advice needed [Re: Shilohsmom] #346408
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I think that's a great idea Bonnie had to check for a UTI. They do make humans act very strangely and from what I've heard, can do the same for dogs. Just wanted to mention Golden Paste since you're feeding Turmeric. If you are on Facebook there is a group called Turmeric User Group. It's run by an Australian veterinarian who developed the paste and several scientists. It fascinating to read the things that Turmeric can help - in humans, dogs, cats, horses, etc. Anyway, here's the recipe for the paste. They explain in the group why this paste is more effective (for animals and humans) than feeding straight Turmeric. It's easy and inexpensive to make. I buy the organic ground Turmeric in the spice aisle at the health food store. It's about $3 and it makes several batches of the paste.


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Re: Advice needed [Re: Kris] #346409
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Well, here's my most recent experience with dogs on my lap, under my chair, under the desk, laying on top of me.

High winds.
Next morning I discovered coyote foot prints in this area of the place (coyotes have been staying out of the area the dogs have access to)

Earlier
Neighbor screaming curses at someone (in the middle of the night, in the morning, in the afternoon)

Way back in Wyoming
Starlings moving about in their nest in the wall.....

Since this is persistent - trip to the vet.
If that solves nothing, have your house checked for carbon monoxide levels. Or critters.

Re trip to the vet - BTY2 tore a toenail nastily last night = trip to the vet today = lighter wallet.

So if he isn't sick, there's something wrong at your house.

Re: Advice needed [Re: middleofnowhere] #346412
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Ok- so we managed to get into the vet last night. Last appt of the day. No UTI. Vet can't find anything wrong. I checked the house and all seems to be well. We do get a lot of wind here and the day this started the wind had howled during the night so bad it woke me up once. Usually when he tries to go under my desk there is fireworks or thunder going on, but there isn't any right now.

Z howled or cried out at 5am, but that is usually him dreaming-nothing unusual.
He seems to be more comfortable when the house is warm, until his coat makes him too hot so I tried the fan, and he was still restless until he wasn't. The walk didn't seem to phase him earlier and we went farther than we would normally, and into unfamiliar territory for new smells.

This morning he is quiet. Relaxed. Resting in his crate. Like normal. If anything here is normal, since my brother is here indefinitely. Z would sleep on the couch or dad's spare bed before my brother came, but now he gets neither one. Brother keeps couch occupied with his computer at night and Z isn't allowed in the bedroom any more at all. Maybe he just aches more from sleeping on the floor? LOL

Either way, my wallet is lighter and we have no answers. Maybe I am just going crazy!


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Re: Advice needed [Re: Zisso] #346413
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You do have a lot on your plate hugging I'm glad you took him to the Vet. I know its hard but it does give us some peace of mind.

It sounds like there have been many changes at home there and maybe he's not feeling as secure as he use to feel. Can the couch be cleared so he can sleep there again? As Shoshi got older she was much more upset when it got too windy. It scared her so maybe that's what's going on with your boy.

I'm glad he's better today. Please keep us posted.


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Re: Advice needed [Re: Shilohsmom] #346415
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I'm glad that Zisso checked out well at the vet's, but then that doesn't solve the current problem. He really deserves some comfort at his age, but you explained well how that is more complicated than before.

Worrying about sleeping on the floor-can you get a softer cushion for his crate?

Anyway, good luck with your guy,
MJ

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I have tried a bed in his crate, but he won't sleep in there with one. I think it's too hot with all his winter coat. He has that bed in the living room if he wants it. And my bedroom door is open for him to go where he wants.

That said we are going back to the vet today. When we were there, they checked his gums, etc, Overall he is fine, but this morning....

He payed great this morning until I couldn't take the cold any more, but in the process, I noticed his breath is worse than normal. I am now thinking he may have a bad tooth. He always has The Worst breath, even right after a cleaning, but this smells almost like he just ate a pile of poo. So back we go to have it checked.


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Re: Advice needed [Re: Zisso] #346419
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Ooops! He *played* great....

Vet appt at 2pm. Pretty sure this is going to be a bulls-eye. Not sure how they missed it yesterday. In my defense, I was fresh out of the dentist myself, when we went, with my lower jaw totally numb. Can't begin to count how many times I bit my tongue. LOL


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Its so hard sometimes trying to figure out these things. I remember one time I had Shoshi to the Vet several times, she had x-rays, bloodwork, you name it, it was done. As it turned out there was a small piece of harden mud shoved way up in between the pads of her foot. It was hard and no doubt sore. The thing was I knew something was wrong but she didn't give me any good hints. I finally just happened to discover it, but once I did she was fine.

I so hope you get an answer soon and that its nothing serious.


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Thanks Rosa!

This vet trip also yielded Nothing!

When I took him in last week, he had been shaking his head a lot like he did when he had an ear infection. This time his ear was just very dirty and had a lot of wax in it, so the vet re checked his ear. There was something small and hard in there that he pulled out-no clue what it was- and I will continue to clean his ear for another week.

His temp was fine, no grumbling in checking range of motion, nothing when applying a bit of pressure to his back, legs, etc so overall, there was nothing at all. He did give us 6 tabs of Carpofen as an anti inflammatory. Z's teeth are fine although a bit dirty.

Only other thing I learned is he is a solid 76 lbs.

Vet and I talked about always watching out for bloat, talked about arthritis, talked about the Carpofen affects in the liver, etc. Basically covered our bases. This vet is new to the office. Luckily, because I was there just last week, he was able to call this a recheck and it was cheaper. Of course Z is never happy about being there, but I feel better knowing there is nothing serious going on.


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R.I.P. Kiki, Nadia, Pepe, and all my other loves from years gone by.
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