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Re: Mars sarcoma? [Re: SeanRescueMom] #345302
09/22/17 04:02 PM
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I am checking on you and Mars. Sending some Cyber Hugs your way.


Val da Tiger

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Re: Mars sarcoma? [Re: Wisc.Tiger_Val] #345304
09/22/17 04:56 PM
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I really count on all your support-thank you. The people here are knowledgeable, experienced, smart, and most of all kind. Great group regardless of what about GSD concerns you.

Yes of course, you folks can help us. Right now, what is your experience with tramadol? It was prescribed to deal with pain from his incision, but Mars is just stoned.

Once I have the biopsy and scan results, I may be back for clarification (yes, Lisa, this means you smile ).

thanks all,
MJ

Re: Mars sarcoma? [Re: Mary Jane] #345305
09/22/17 06:07 PM
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I took Tramadol for a while, the one side effect that I experienced was a HUGE rebound headache when the stuff wore off.

I am reading a lot more about Gabapentin is really good for nerve paid, which I think would be a choice for Mars.

You might want to cal your Vet and tell them that the Tramadol doesn't seem to be working and ask their opinion on Gabapentin.

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Val da Tiger

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Neilla the Big White puppy.

RIP Cheyenne - AKA: Digger, CheyChey Girl, Cheyenne Large and In charge. 2/16/02 - 2/27/16
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RIP Lakota - AKA: Bubba, Big Boy, BooBoo (the other part of the Binky and BooBoo team). 1/19/03-9/19/2011
RIP DeeDee - AKA: DD Poo, Little Bit, Binky (part of the Binky and Booboo team) 6/23/02-6/20/11
Re: Mars sarcoma? [Re: Wisc.Tiger_Val] #345306
09/22/17 07:11 PM
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I believe that Tramadol has been proven to NOT be effective for pain relief in dogs. Something about how the chemicals break down in a dog. I remember when I read that stuff I threw out what I had and spoke to the Vet about it. Eli takes Galaplant for pain, maybe that will help???


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Re: Mars sarcoma? [Re: Shilohsmom] #345307
09/22/17 08:08 PM
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Thanks guys. I did ask the surgical nurse about an alternative to tramadol, because I faintly remember that it constipated Mars. She told me it was better than the alternatives for weak stomachs.

It probably worked in Mars, he limped coming home from the hospital and stopped a hour or so after the medicine. What concerns me is he is mostly sleeping-pretty lethargic. I don't know about constipation yet.

I really appreciate your help.

MJ

Re: Mars sarcoma? [Re: Wisc.Tiger_Val] #345309
09/22/17 10:05 PM
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Originally Posted By: Wisc.Tiger_Val
I took Tramadol for a while, the one side effect that I experienced was a HUGE rebound headache when the stuff wore off.


My daughter was on Tramadol for pain but had side effects too and had to ask the doctor for an alternative. It also made her feel extremely drowsy. Hope you find something else that works for Mars, sending special thoughts and hugs for your sweet boy. wub


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Re: Mars sarcoma? [Re: Mary Jane] #345310
09/22/17 10:05 PM
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Personally, unless there are liver problems, for short term use I prefer nsaids because they are also anti-inflammatory, but there are more side effects with them. I use plain aspirin for jazz after hikes, but there is the gut and bleeding issues with that which aren't optimal in some circumstances. Jazz and max used tramadol and it seemed to help them and they seemed to handle it okay.

Here I like boswellia and/or zyflamend for pain and inflammation.

For nerve pain I prefer alpha lipoic acid or r-lipoic acid and would try that before gabapentin, but some like to try the pharmaceuticals first.


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Re: Mars sarcoma? [Re: MaxaLisa] #345321
09/23/17 06:06 PM
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I called the hospital explaining Mars' lethargy and dizziness; he was really weaving when trying to walk. They suggested reducing the Tramadol dose (that I already did) if his pain is manageable.

I think this is pain from the incision without affecting nerves-I just have to make the best judgment I can, with all the help I can get.

thanks everyone,
MJ

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Re: Mars sarcoma? [Re: Mary Jane] #345323
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Just leaving a note, to let you know I was here and I care about you and our dear sweet Mars.

hugging


Rosa

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Every dog deserves to have a human that thinks its the greatest dog that ever lived!
Re: Mars sarcoma? [Re: Shilohsmom] #345324
09/23/17 09:18 PM
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My experience with Max is that they used a much higher dosage than needed. Don't forget the arnica, in many cases it will even be more effective than the pain killers.


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Re: Mars sarcoma? [Re: Mary Jane] #345328
09/23/17 11:07 PM
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Tramadol does wonders for Buddy. He is also on gabepentin and galliprant.

He needs it all for chronic issues and is not zonked on it.

Having said that, after surgery, tramadol is often given. Dogs generally don't react the same as humans on the drug. Some dogs just don't need such a high dose.

Just be careful not to let the pain break through as Mars gets more active in the next few days.

I agree with Lisa..add arnica if a little more is needed. Or even better, T-Relief which has arnica and other pain/nerve soothers.

Buddy's vet recommended that for times he needs a little extra.

I'm so sorry for all you're going through together. I hold you in my thoughts and hope for better days ahead.


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Re: Mars sarcoma? [Re: PositiveDog] #345337
09/24/17 05:47 PM
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Mary Jane, you are so attentive, intuitive, and connected to dear Mars, that I just know you will find the right help for him to feel more at ease. My late hubby Ulrich said Tramadol helped some with pain, but made him sleepy--without truly being able to get deep sleep on it. I'm sure for dogs it may be different, and you're already gentling his dosage. It is good that there are a few other options for supportive pain meds. I'm glad you are in good communication with your vet. Please know the multitude of caring and support flowing out from our community to you and Mars is ongoing. Surely Mars will feel more comfortable soon. Lots of positive well-wishes being beamed out for Mars!


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Re: Mars sarcoma? [Re: Braverhund] #345340
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Just thinking of you and hoping you are enjoying being together today.


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Re: Mars sarcoma? [Re: Shilohsmom] #345359
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Re: Mars sarcoma? [Re: Shilohsmom] #345368
09/26/17 05:19 PM
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Thank you for being here thanks

just waiting for biopsy and scan results (you're right, it's not casual at all)

please stay tuned,

MJ

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