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food for dog w/ high triglycerides & hypothyroidis #343286
01/27/17 01:43 PM
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Well, I couldn't get the whole title to fit (just missing a 'm'!!), but my question has to do with what diet should I feed to a dog with high triglycerides and hypothyroidism?

In another post I explained issues Chico had with blood work, etc. Fortunately, all turned out to be well except he has high triglycerides. That was done after a fast and the blood work was sent to a lab and analyzed by Internal Medicine specialist. Now, Chico also has hypothyroidism and the high fat (I don't feel like typing triglycerides every time grin ) is most likely a result from that. However, he is on medicine (thyro tabs .8mg) for low thyroid, along with an OTC supplement (Standard Process Canine Thyroid support) which keeps his thyroid levels in normal range. From what I have read which I am sure isn't enough, being on a thyroid support should help with the high fat in blood. I especially liked this article http://www.tuftsyourdog.com/issues/21_4/...Dogs-352-1.html However it doesn't seem to be in his case.

Has anyone else had this issue? Currently I am feeding Chico BARF/raw diet and he has done great on it but I know meat is fatty. The specialist said she does not recommend a low fat diet but didn't elaborate on what I should feed. I hope to discuss this with the specialist or my normal vet soon but would like other opinions as well.

Since being on the prescription thyroid medicine it has been difficult keeping his weight in check. The specialist said that the meds probably amped up his metabolism and he is burning more calories with the same activity level. So, in addition to his meat, I am also supplementing with quinoa and green beans.
I am considering switching him to a dog food, Natures Variety Instinct most likely but still not sure.

Any advice appreciated and thanks!


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Re: food for dog w/ high triglycerides & hypothyroidis [Re: Leslie&Chico] #343288
01/27/17 08:56 PM
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You could contact canine dietician Monica Segal - she is really knowledgable and should be able to help. If you can't afford a consultation she does have a yahoo group and several books.

Re: food for dog w/ high triglycerides & hypothyroidis [Re: anniej] #343300
01/28/17 11:39 AM
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The cholesterol was in a good range - if that was elevated it might point to weirdness with thyroid meds.

I don't know much about isolate high triglycerides. This may be from the steroids from a quick Google, or liver issues. I know you put him on the liver support, and that may have already brough some of the liver values down but I might also consider the liver support factors supplement. I don't know if a digestive enyme to help digest the fat in his diet would be beneficial or not.

About the weight. You might reevaluate to see if the weight loss is a good thing or not. Is he actually getting ribby? You may just be used to extra weight? No?

Consulting a nutritionist t isn't a bad idea. Monica or Sabine.

To be truthful, I am conflicted about the thyroid support. Good in a dog with waning values, bad for a dog with autommmine thyroid.


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Re: food for dog w/ high triglycerides & hypothyroidis [Re: MaxaLisa] #343301
01/28/17 11:42 AM
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Oh, if the diet is going well, i,m more inclined to add a digestive enzyme than switched to processed food.


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Re: food for dog w/ high triglycerides & hypothyroidis [Re: MaxaLisa] #343307
01/28/17 02:05 PM
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Chico tried Fortiflora once and it didn't agree with him, it made him itchy. We use
Golden Link Plus Prebiotics but it hasn't been available for awhile. Unfortunately, I haven't been able to make Chico an appointment with his vet to go over results at the end of the week, my Dad had some medical emergencies. I hope to get him in next week.


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Re: food for dog w/ high triglycerides & hypothyroidis [Re: Leslie&Chico] #343308
01/28/17 02:34 PM
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Re: food for dog w/ high triglycerides & hypothyroidis [Re: Wisc.Tiger_Val] #343312
01/28/17 04:23 PM
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Most of the K9 probiotics have things in them that don't agree with some dogs, or aren't quite the right strains. (I haven't tried the golden link ones so can't comment at all, val's the expert on those.)

For my IBD dog I use the mercola pet probiotics combine with these two:
https://m.luckyvitamin.com/p-26742-enzym...capsules?loc=US
https://m.luckyvitamin.com/p-645026-enzy...softgels?loc=US

Indy used to do great on solaray's multidophilous 12. You sometimes have to experiment. Here I stay away from FOS and inulin. There are some strains that will increase histamine too - I had to research all that stuff for jazz here.

But probiotics, while very important, are not the same as digestive enzymes. I've been wanting to try the mercola digestive enzymes, but i've been using similase here for years: https://www.amazon.com/Integrative-Therapeutics-Similase-Digestive-Capsules/dp/B001N1DHOG

I am curious what your vet's thoughts are.

Hope things are stable with your dad.


Last edited by MaxaLisa; 01/28/17 04:24 PM.

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Re: food for dog w/ high triglycerides & hypothyroidis [Re: MaxaLisa] #343332
01/30/17 07:58 PM
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Thank you for all the information. Right now I cannot afford the consult for Monica Segal but I did join the yahoo groups. I didn't realize that is what digestive enzymes do ("...help digest the fat ..."), I just thought they were used for upset tummy's and to get pro/pre-biotics. Lisa, I do realize you had that question as well but my knowledge of digestive enzymes is limited. And if I am understanding, the correct digestive enzyme will help break down the fat in his blood?
About Chico's weight, yes is considerably high for the standard but he is tall and long. The vet said to keep him around 115 and right now he is at 110, give or take. What do you mean about autoimmune thyroid? Is low thyroid not autoimmune or is it caused by something else?
Devils advocate question, if I were to stop all thyroid support for Chico, what would happen? I only recently noticed hair loss, so we added the prescription but he has been on Standard Process for over a year (I believe). Also, when the prescription was added is when he started to lose weight too.

Quick off topic, about my Dad. He has advanced dementia and is under hospice care and I am his medical POA so my time right now is stretched. That is why I was unable to take Chico for follow-up last week. I have also considered temporarily feeding him a dog food until things settle because his food prep, grinding RMB's, packaging, etc. takes a bit of time and things are kind of stressful/hectic right now.


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Re: food for dog w/ high triglycerides & hypothyroidis [Re: Leslie&Chico] #343370
02/04/17 09:19 PM
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Monica also has a FB group that is very active. You can get quite a bit of info from the groups and generally also ask questions there.

Yes, digestive enzymes help break down the different types of things we eat. For example, there is an enzyme that people that are intolerant to milk could also take (if it's a deficiency rather than an allergy). GSDs are known for running low or low end lipase and having trouble digesting fat. There are lots of different enzyme products out there so my recommendation is to start with a small bottle of whatever and see how it works. Some products, like the original Prozyme for dogs, contained something that could also upset their stomachs. I generally prefer the products made for humans.

Thyroid can be low for many different reasons. Sometimes it's affected by disease states in the body, or certain drugs or supplements or aging. For example, it's common for dogs with tick disease to have a low thyroid. Autoimmune thyroid is pretty common. If you boost the thyroid and there is an autoimmune condition, then you are also boosting the autoimmune attack. None of our tests, if negative, are completely accurate in diagnosing this. I go back and forth on that Standard Process thyroid supplement, so I stick with, if they are better on it, that's great. If they aren't, then maybe it's best to find something else.

I'm really sorry to hear about your Dad. Somewhat recently I went through this with my Mom, and we still have Dad hear, so I completely understand what you guys are going through. Our dogs are pretty sensitive to the stress that we are going through, so things start piling up.


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Re: food for dog w/ high triglycerides & hypothyroidis [Re: MaxaLisa] #343395
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I am one of the few holdouts who still doesn't have a FB account and I hope to keep it that way for awhile. I am reading information on the Yahoo group page though. I did order the digestive enzyme and will see how he does with it. Fortunately, Chico has never had any tummy issues. Back when he was eating dog food I could switch up the main protein ingredient and he was fine. Even before I had to start grinding his RMB's he could eat many different meats, chicken, turkey legs, pork neck bones. Anyhoo, I digress.
The vet recommended keeping him on the standard process thyroid support still, so until something changes, I will. I read more about autoimmune thyroid issues and what it seems to me is that some of the symptoms can go unnoticed for awhile or there may not be symptoms at all, until an infection really escalates. Of course, I am sure I will be super-vigilant now though.

I am going to keep feeding him raw, I just have to get the time to grind the RMB's.
Thanks for all the information!


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Re: food for dog w/ high triglycerides & hypothyroidis [Re: Leslie&Chico] #343508
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Good luck, hope he remains symptom free!


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