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Ronin Won't Eat New Food #341944
09/20/16 11:28 AM
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We have had such hard time with Ronin and his food since we brought him home. He was on Raw for a long time, but then that got way too expensive, so we switched him to another raw food but that made him sick. We have since gone to the vet and the vet has put him in Royal Canin Hypersensitivy food that is working so far very well. Other than the fact that Ronin hates to eat the food. He ate it fine for the first 3 days we had him on it with no problems, then in the past 3 days he won't eat it. I checked his teeth, no problems, he's not lethargic or vomiting and no diarrhea.

I put hot water on the food to soften it a bit and he will eat some, but the only way to get him to eat it is if I put it in his crate when I leave in the morning for work and he eats it through out the day and at night just picks away at it. Any suggestions?


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Re: Ronin Won't Eat New Food [Re: emilyL] #341945
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Ok you will hate me for this:

"put it in his crate when I leave in the morning for work and he eats it through out the day "

And at a seminar one of the trainers said: I know of no dog that has voluntarily starved himself to death.

For a bit of empathy:

My eldest wants an appetizer (generally her pills one of which gets smooshed and doctored with enhancement dujour). Sometimes she will eat in the morning. More likely she will eat in the evening. She likes company when she eats. She likes having her food messed with. If she eats in the evening she will eat both breakfast and dinner servings then - and often insist on more.

My youngest will eat all of it at any time it is offered. I don't know that she would ever refuse anything edible. She will eat so much that her digestive track rebels and she produces loose stools.

When I have a pair, I will have one picky eater and one foracious eater but when I have a lone picky eater, their attention to food has improved with the addition of some competition. It has also worked to offer the food, then put it away until the next meal if it isn't eaten.

Bottom line: If I remember right, this is your first dog. You are over thinking this.

Re: Ronin Won't Eat New Food [Re: middleofnowhere] #341946
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Originally Posted By: middleofnowhere

Bottom line: If I remember right, this is your first dog. You are over thinking this.
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Re: Ronin Won't Eat New Food [Re: BasiaBear] #341947
09/20/16 05:45 PM
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Haha thanks. You're probably right. smile I just worried because he has chewed up so many of his toys I was scared it could be because of a blockage from pieces I might have missed getting out of his mouth.


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Re: Ronin Won't Eat New Food [Re: emilyL] #341948
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If it makes you feel any better, Basia has eaten my underwear several times. I only ever knew when I saw it come out the other end. So if he was chewing apart a toy and the pieces were small enough for you to miss, chances are it'll just pass through. Usually if there's a blockage there will be vomiting and no pooping.

Also, he went from eating the most delicious raw food to what probably tastes like cardboard. I just looked up the ingredient list of Royal Canin, granted this is the "hydrolyzed protein" diet (I couldn't find the hypersensitivity one) but if it's anything similar, no wonder he doesn't want to eat it.

There isn't even an animal protein source!

Brewers Rice, Hydrolyzed Soy Protein, Chicken Fat, Dried Plain Beet Pulp, Natural Flavors, Monocalcium Phosphate, Sodium Silico Aluminate, Vegetable Oil, Calcium Carbonate, Fish Oil, Fructooligosaccharides, Potassium Chloride, L-Tyrosine, Salt, Taurine, Vitamins [Dl-Alpha Tocopherol Acetate (Source of Vitamin E), Inositol, Niacin Supplement, L-Ascorbyl-2-Polyphosphate (Source of Vitamin C), D-Calcium Pantothenate, Biotin, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride (Vitamin B6), Riboflavin Supplement, Thiamine Mononitrate (Vitamin B1), Vitamin A Acetate, Folic Acid, Vitamin B12 Supplement, Vitamin D3 Supplement], Choline Chloride, Marigold Extract (Tagetes Erecta L.), Trace Minerals (Zinc Proteinate, Zinc Oxide, Ferrous Sulfate, Manganese Proteinate, Copper Proteinate, Copper Sulfate, Manganous Oxide, Calcium Iodate, Sodium Selenite), Rosemary Extract, Preserved with Mixed Tocopherols and Citric Acid.


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Re: Ronin Won't Eat New Food [Re: BasiaBear] #341950
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past dog(s) - underwear sections (obviously known before thoroughly processed) socks and who knows what else.

BTY2 - sponge (what's that funny textured excrement that's kinda orange pink?)and about 5 feet of 1/2 inch leather lead (left the handle and the braided section near the snap so I now have another collar tab...) and who knows what all else. Lead was probably chewed into small pieces because it never "showed up."

Put the food down. Take it up. Put it down again. Take it up again. He will eventually eat it. Do not fuss. Just do it.

Re: Ronin Won't Eat New Food [Re: BasiaBear] #341954
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Our vet doesn't use any other kinds apparently. I called to check. I'm not a fan of Royal Canin but it's the only thing he can eat right now (when he actually eats) that doesn't give him diarrhea or make him sick. I feel like I'm in between a rock and a hard place.

The other reason he's on this food is that he may have EPI and his body isn't sending out enough enzymes to break down protein which is causing the diarrhea so we're trying this stuff out. The vet explained that the food broken down from the protein and vegetable and fruit material into something else that is easier to handle and his body can process it that way. I don't really understand it all. frown


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Re: Ronin Won't Eat New Food [Re: emilyL] #341955
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Emily,
You are doing great by Ronin. May his stools solidify, his appetite pick up, his taste for his kibble grow and for other items decline.

Re: Ronin Won't Eat New Food [Re: middleofnowhere] #341960
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Basia has EPI. If Ronin actually has this, you need to put him on digestive enzymes (I get my enzymes shipped to me from Canada, actually). Did you do the blood test? It checks for TLI (Trypsin Like Immunoreactivigy).

Check this out: http://vetmed.tamu.edu/gilab/service/assays/tli

If there are any aspects that you don't understand about the disease, I can try to help explain.

ETA: if you haven't done the blood test- but you plan to: make sure to also test for Folate and Cobalamin (vit. B12)

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Re: Ronin Won't Eat New Food [Re: BasiaBear] #341961
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The vet said that they want to do bloodwork but were trying the new food first. They are leaning away from that being the diagnosis because he's not losing weight at a rapid pace. He said that he thinks Ronin just has a very sensitive digestive track. I'm really confused. I can't keep changing foods all the time.

Sometimes I feel like I should get a second opinion.


I am your friend,your partner,your defender your dog. You are my life, my leader. I will be yours, faithful and true, to the last beat of my heart- I Am The German Shepherd-Anonymous
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Re: Ronin Won't Eat New Food [Re: emilyL] #341963
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I've decided that I will get a second opinion. I've made an appointment with another well respected vet in our area. I'm going to take Ronin to see him and see if we can figure out what is going on with him.


I am your friend,your partner,your defender your dog. You are my life, my leader. I will be yours, faithful and true, to the last beat of my heart- I Am The German Shepherd-Anonymous
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Re: Ronin Won't Eat New Food [Re: emilyL] #341965
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A second opinion can't hurt but since these things can be so hard to pinpoint, they'll probably have vague answers/ideas/suggestions after just one visit. It would take more than just a visit to establish a good report, ya know? But hey, who knows, you might end up liking this vet a lot more and sticking with them instead.

I still question the Royal Canin. I'm not sure I understand his logic about the vegetable proteins in regard to EPI. Ronin was doing fine on raw food, right? It was just once you switched to different kibbles that he started with the upset stomachs?


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Re: Ronin Won't Eat New Food [Re: BasiaBear] #341966
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He was good on raw for a while then he would have a bad bout of diarrhea. Near the end of doing the raw food, the last 2 months, he was constantly having diarrhea. Then we went to kibble and it got worse. Now we're to the point that we have to do something and find something he can tolerate. He was getting dehydrated, losing weight, and his poor bum was so red and sore. It's bene a very hard, and very expensive time for me. I just want him to feel better and get on a food that's good for him and that he can eat.

This other vet apparently is one that the majority of the city I live in love. He's been practicing for 40 years and I have a friend who was recently going through kind of the same thing with her mix breed dog, and after one visit with him, they figured out the problem and the dog is doing 100% better. Not saying this will happen with me, but this vet has a very good reputation. I didn't go to them before because they didn't have appointments for months, but they've brought on another vet to help so now we're going to see if we like him better.


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Re: Ronin Won't Eat New Food [Re: emilyL] #341971
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Most any time you change a dogs food one can expect diareah! Unless you make the change VERY gradually over the course of at least a week or so.

Of course if a dog already has it, changing probably won't make it any worse.

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When we switched from raw to kibble we couldn't do it gradually. But even on the raw he was having diarrhea, and it did slowly get worse. It went from pudding to water by the end of the month. We've switched him to this kibble and within 12 hours Ronin was back to solid, not a single ounce of runny. So I'm not exactly sure what's wrong with him, but it has to be something to do with his digestive track I would think.


I am your friend,your partner,your defender your dog. You are my life, my leader. I will be yours, faithful and true, to the last beat of my heart- I Am The German Shepherd-Anonymous
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