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Switching from Raw to Kibble #341420
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Hello everyone! Ronin is now 9 months and I am looking at switching him off of Raw food to a good kibble brand. Just because it's become so expensive and we need to cut back on some costs. I don't want to feed him junk kibble, and he is a very active pup so I want to keep that up. I was told about Arkana and Origins dog food were good. Does anyone know anything about these or have any other suggestions? I live in Canada so I don't know if these brands are sold in the US or not.


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Re: Switching from Raw to Kibble [Re: emilyL] #341421
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I think I've heard of them but I don't have any input. I feed Basia Nature's Logic. If it wasn't for her EPI I'd have her on raw more often, but I do really like this kibble. Affordable, no recalls, ethically sourced meats, family owned. Basia's coat is very soft and shiny, and she thrives well on it.

Orijen is from Canada and is a very high quality kibble, but I think it might be the most expensive kibble on the market, at least down here. Maybe in Canada it's different?


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Re: Switching from Raw to Kibble [Re: BasiaBear] #341423
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I'm not sure. I'm going to have to and look around. He has enough Raw food left for a few more days so it's not like I have to run out and get today. I want him to have a good kibble, and I'm okay with spending a bit of money on it. We already spend $500 every month and a half on his raw food, so I'm ok with spending a bit of money on kibble that is good for him. Hopefully not $500 worth though. Haha

I'll check in to the Orijen food and see how much it is here.


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Re: Switching from Raw to Kibble [Re: emilyL] #341427
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Lucky you. Orijen here in the states is now made in Kentucky, not Canada. But since you are in Canada, that won't be a problem.

My dogs thrived on orijen six fish.

Lotus brand is very good as is Nulo.

There are many good grain free products now.

Good luck!


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Re: Switching from Raw to Kibble [Re: PositiveDog] #341428
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$500 seems high? I definitely wasn't spending that much when I had basia on raw. I made my own mixes though with ground beef from a local butcher... They would package the stuff that fell on the floor and sell it super cheap to raw feeders for .99 per pound. And a 30 lb box of chicken backs was $30.

Anyway, the good thing about kibble is you can always start with small bags. My pet supply store even offers free exchanges if you aren't 100% satisfied or if the dog doesn't do well on it.


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Re: Switching from Raw to Kibble [Re: BasiaBear] #341430
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I am very happy with Acana Grasslands and Ranchlands.
Excellent rating on Dog Food Advisor.
Check the ingredients.
Abby has been thriving on it for 6+ years.
Get it from Chewy.com .... free shipping for orders over 49$.


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$500 a 1.5 month for raw, for one dog?

That's pretty steep. We spend about maybe $200-250 for a month-month/half for two dogs.

Are you getting it from the grocery store or do you have a raw/bulk supplier?


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Re: Switching from Raw to Kibble [Re: aubie] #341436
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We have a raw bulk supplier. He's on 4 patties a day and I get him 3 different protiens otherwise it only lasts about a month at most. Plus our tax rate went up and the prices are now even higher.

I'm going to a pet store today to see what the have. We have a store here that offers all kinds of choices for good prices.


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Re: Switching from Raw to Kibble [Re: emilyL] #341443
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That seems more than double what I pay to raw feed Grimm, even considering this in dollars Canadian.

Grimm did okay on Orijen Six Fish. Not great, but okay. Switching to raw was a huge improvement in his health.

Can you scout around a bit for others who feed raw? My guess is they don't buy from pet stores, because the mark up us so high. Just wondering if he could be fed raw much cheaper?

I hope you find either just the right kibble, or a cheaper raw source! Best of luck! smile


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My last GS did really well of Orijen for a while but Cara my present GS didn't tolerate it at all - she has allergy issues so it's not alone in foods she can't tolerate. It is a high quality food and one of the best kibble. Do remember to switch gradually over at least a week otherwise you could end up with some horrible stomach upsets,

Re: Switching from Raw to Kibble [Re: anniej] #341450
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The raw food he is currently on is called Carnivora and I bought it from the daycare he used to go to. For a bulk pack of chicken it is $90 (50 patties in a box) and they just go up from there. If I buy 3 proteins, it's about $500 with the tax rate here (15%) so it's just getting to be too hard. The 3 proteins are about 1.5 months to 2 months, but even so, it's a lot of money along with everything else we have to do right now.

The raw food prices at the daycare are no doubt marked up quite a bit. For example, his last order was bulk packs of chicken, beef and bison. Chicken is about $90, beef is $160 and Bison is also $160. The other meats are a bit lower but he did not tolerate them well so we had to try him on these meats and he was doing a heck of a lot better. So with the 15% tax on all of that it brings it to about $470. For one dog. He's on 4 patties a day, which will only last me about a month and a half. That much money for so little time is just very hard for me right now to finance. Especially when I have other things popping up. Am I wrong in thinking that? I know raw is the best thing to feed him, but the financial costs are getting steep.

I looked at some of the other raw food brands, but my problem is that I have a very severe allergy to all kinds of fish, so a lot of raw diets they sell come with fish in a bulk box and I can't even touch it or I end up in a hospital. This is also where we run in to problems. We have found a kibble called Arkana we are going to try. It's made in Canada, has a 5 star rating and I have not heard of it having any recalls. I am going to try it once Ronin's raw food is all gone and see how it goes. He may be fine on it.


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Re: Switching from Raw to Kibble [Re: emilyL] #341453
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I would try it before his raw food is all gone. That's just me though.

Originally Posted By: emilyL

That much money for so little time is just very hard for me right now to finance. Especially when I have other things popping up. Am I wrong in thinking that? I know raw is the best thing to feed him, but the financial costs are getting steep.
No you aren't wrong for thinking that! Not even close. There are plenty of good kibbles out there and besides, you can always add on some raw treats once in a while to supplement. I just grab what's on sale for really cheap at the grocery store or add eggs to the kibble.


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Now that I think about it you're right, I should try it before it's all gone. I do plan on giving him raw meaty bones as well once in a while or go to the butcher and get some stuff. The Arkana food I bought was $75 for the bag with tax and should do me a month. Hopefully this will work for him. I want to put him in some new classes and this will help me pay for it with out too much added financial strain.


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Originally Posted By: BasiaBear
I would try it before his raw food is all gone. That's just me though.

Originally Posted By: emilyL

That much money for so little time is just very hard for me right now to finance. Especially when I have other things popping up. Am I wrong in thinking that? I know raw is the best thing to feed him, but the financial costs are getting steep.


No you aren't wrong for thinking that! Not even close. There are plenty of good kibbles out there and besides, you can always add on some raw treats once in a while to supplement. I just grab what's on sale for really cheap at the grocery store or add eggs to the kibble.


Raw is not the best in everyones mind - esp. when one considers all of the variables involved in what and how much to feed a growing dog. Some dogs go their whole lives on commercial food and they grow up perfectly fine health/nutrition wise.

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I think I see your problem with cost, those premade patties usually run a ton more than bulk raw. By bulk raw I mean whole chicken quarters/thighs/necks in 40lb boxes, turkey necks, whole beef heart, ground beef, turkey hearts, etc.

If you can find somewhere to get these in bulk instead of the premade patties, you'll save a ton!


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Thank you! I don't know of anyone in our area who sells that, but I'll see if I can find someone. I put him on the Arkana and so far he loves it. He is having a bit of diarrhea but I expected that. We'll see how he goes for the next month or so and hopefully he will be fine on it.


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Originally Posted By: emilyL
Thank you! I don't know of anyone in our area who sells that, but I'll see if I can find someone..
Generally, a butcher would. I used to go to the butcher that supplied meat for the majority of restaurants in our area so they were a large facility who only supplied in bulk. Very economical if you get an extra freezer. It does take more time out of your day than kibble though.


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thanks! I'll look in to that. Apparently Arkana also sells raw I have found out. Not patties but freeze dried in kibble form. Do you know anything about that kind of thing? Not necessarily about the brand itself, but just about that kind of process?


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