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Re: Let's talk about longevity or lack in the GSD [Re: Kayos] #329208
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It seems that dogs themselves, regardless of breed lines just live as long as they do. Healthy food, regular vet visits, love galore, it just happens. Same with people. Thats why every soul is unique. Ive lived and lost many animals. Its love and living well til we all cant.

Re: Let's talk about longevity or lack in the GSD [Re: Kayos] #332842
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My first german shepherd, a black and tan named Morgan had a stroke on his 13th birthday and had to be put down. I just assumed that after age 8 or so every day was just icing on the cake.

Re: Let's talk about longevity or lack in the GSD [Re: H@M] #332844
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Max was WGSL, and he was never a well dog. But starting at 4 or 5 weeks old, he was pumped with vaccine after vaccine, so he never really stood a chance. Stupid breeder and vets. He died at 10 1/2 due to hemangiosarcoma, but was very ill for about 8-12 months before that.

Aside from the environmental issues, which I believe ARE crucial, breeding I think is a huge part of longevity. Breed a line that runs low normal or low IgA (not uncommon in the breed), and you breed a dog that is lacking in mucosal defenses. How drugs are processed, and things we are susceptible is also partially genetic.

Max's sire died not too long after Max was sired, from some sort of cancer (I think), though I never learned of the details. He passed on some undesirable faults, from what I could learn. As Max's holistic vet told me after he passed, he was, in general, so deficient, it was bound to happen. I don't know a lot about his genetics, but I know they weren't stellar, and top that off with all those vaccines at such a young age, he really didn't stand a chance, but I kept him going as long as I could.


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Re: Let's talk about longevity or lack in the GSD [Re: MaxaLisa] #333011
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Sorry about your loss - he sounds like a great dog!

Which vaccines was he pumped full of that you think had such a bad impact on him?

4-5 weeks is kind of young for some of the commonly given vaccines against some of the nasty things that can happen to dogs i.e. rabies for example.

Re: Let's talk about longevity or lack in the GSD [Re: Codmaster] #333014
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Thanks CM.

They started the puppy series at 4 weeks, and vaxed him weekly - I have the records packed away so don't have the exact ones handy. It's not one vaccine, they just wrecked his immune system when it was maturing, and vaccines at such a young age are useless while they still have maternal antibodies. Poor guy. The one smart thing they did was wait until 6 months for the rabies.

I was fortunate that I had his vaccination schedule when I adopted him at 18 months, so I knew.


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Re: Let's talk about longevity or lack in the GSD [Re: MaxaLisa] #333027
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4 weeks does seem awfully young for most shots.

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I have had two German Shepherds - both died before the age of four. I adopted Cara who was four because I wanted to make sure I had a dog who lived past four! I have told her she is not going anywhere until she is at least sixteen ( fingers crossed)😀

Re: Let's talk about longevity or lack in the GSD [Re: anniej] #333085
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I have only had one GSD die sooner than what I thought was normal. Wolfie died at 9.5 due to cancer. Max, my rescue was probably 11.5 or so.

Both Lucky (my first GSD) and Kayos have made 12 plus. Lucky died at 12 years and 6 weeks. Kayos is 12 years and 5 months and going strong.


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Re: Let's talk about longevity or lack in the GSD [Re: Kayos] #336035
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My first girl was 13. Her sire Ch Reno of Lakeside lived to be 16. My next girl was 12 and died from cancer. Next 2 were 9 and just shy of 12. Both had degenerative myelopathy. My 2 yo had both
parents clear for DM. I wonder about all the chemicals we put on them, in them an around them.

Re: Let's talk about longevity or lack in the GSD [Re: annie] #336039
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Originally Posted By: annie
I wonder about all the chemicals we put on them, in them an around them.


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MY GSD Mix (dog #1) I got at 2 yo. Fed grocery store kibble - whatever was on sale. Traveled widely with me. Moved from pillar to post. Died at 16 from a cancer that we did not catch early enough. (pent;y of exposure to flea meds but little else)
Next GSD Mix (dog #3) I got at about 12 weeks. She had probably run away frightened by 4th of July fireworks. Again, grocery store kibble most of her life. D @ 15 from kidney disease. She had been on rimadyl for her hips and that probably caused it.
Next GSD (dog #5) I got at about 12 weeks. Died at 14. Undiagnosed illness. Wasn't sound for the last few years.
Next GSD (dog #6) I got at 8 or 9 weeks. Ms. Tank! Died at 9, hemangio.
Next GSD (dog #7) I got when 5 & 6 were still quite active. His age was undetermined, I picked him up from the pound where he had every parasite dogs in Arkansas could get. I had him for about 9 mos when he died from heart worms. The vet at the time I had him did not think we had him healthy enough to withstand the treatment. I wish I had seen a different vet. His death was purely due to human neglect. He was a nice guy, a sweet boy. He had been someone's beloved pet for a while. He'd never tell what happened but he was very greatful. (ok sorry for the rant)

I got my numbers off here but I'm not going to fuss about it.

Re: Let's talk about longevity or lack in the GSD [Re: middleofnowhere] #336503
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some of my dogs

1. BYB female died at 5.5yo - brain cancer
2. Show dog from Caralon Kennels - Scootie Sherlock died at home from "old Age" just curled up one night and didn't wake up at 13.5yo
3. BYB female PTS at almost 14yo due to Degenerative Myeolapathy (same damn disease we have now with Baron)
4. Son of a top German ScH dog - died about 13 (same "old age" never did an animal autopsy

5. Current dog 7.9yo male will not be with us much longer based on the recent progress of DM. Lucky to make it to 8yo (I HOPE!)

A plea to breeders - eliminate this dreaded, terrible disease that takes a dogs body while his/her mind is still full of life! It is a genetic disease so we can eliminate (or almost so) if we will stop breeding dogs that carry the mutated genes!!!!!!!!!!!

Re: Let's talk about longevity or lack in the GSD [Re: MaxaLisa] #336521
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I've only ever owned three GSD's and my parents owned one when I was a baby. Their's died around 8 years old, probably American BYB from the photos. She had severe HD and had to be put down due to that.

I had to put Cody down a week before his 9th birthday 3 years ago. He came from a BYB and was a mixture of American/German lines. I'm assuming he had a cancer because over the last two years of his life he became so skinny, diarhea constantly, and just stopped eating. Weighed 85lbs before his health went down and 55lbs the day he was put down. Had tests done on him but couldn't find anything wrong. He had a whole host of problems from severe allergies to being nervous of certain things. But his loyalty and obedience was amazing. I still miss him.

Akbar is as healthy as a horse. No issues there.

Isa is going on 11 and she may not make it past that. Akbar had landed on her, back in January2015, at the wrong moment when she was passing me and he just wanted to say hi by jumping up to me.. Took her to a specialist and he said her left knee was the issue but to fix it she'd have to have major surgery and with her age it's just best to make her feel as comfortable as we can and to give her natural remedies for when she's in pain. Her walk is more of a gimp and she can't run anymore but she still enjoys getting out. The doctor told us that she's had this condition her whole life but with the circumstances of Akbar landing on her it has showed up now. I always wondered when she was much younger why she started to avoid jumps when I use to do obedience and now I know why. Had I forced her to continue this may have appeared earlier. We were also told she has what looks like the beginning stages of DM.. So until her time, we will make her as comfortable as we can. smile


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Re: Let's talk about longevity or lack in the GSD [Re: mjbgsd] #336549
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ANd now it is a few months since I posted on this thread. Kayos has cancer and was given about 2 months. That was 6 weeks ago. She is still hanging in there and chasing balls. She is 12 years, 9 months and 16 days. smile Still hoping she makes 13.


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PAM, URO3, UCD, UACH Tidmores Rising Star Lydia "Mayhem" CD,BN,RE,AX,AJP,OFP,P1J,CA,DJ,HT,TKN,TC,CGCU 4/4/12

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I'm rooting for her kathy smile


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