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Re: Renji health issues - test Qs [Re: Diana] #310404
03/08/14 02:29 AM
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The preliminary imaging readings were normal. Still waiting on final reads and results from blood and urine work. Tick snap test was negative. They don't doubt there may he something going on but whatever it is, they aren't seeing yet. The neuro said these tests would be what an internist would want, and also that if it were her dog, she would be doing the same. She wasn't sure that a CT or MRI would be of any use. There was a definite difference in the knuckle over reflex but not enough to be indicative of a problem. She said it might be normal for him or just very early in whatever might be happening.

The neuro asked that I video anything that I find questionable and email it to their neurology department for further investigation.

In the meantime, any ideas? Renji is clearly not doing well, even given anesthesia.


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Re: Renji health issues - test Qs [Re: Diana] #310405
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I'm thinking of going back to UF Gainesville if this continues.


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Re: Renji health issues - test Qs [Re: Diana] #310409
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I hope that he settled soon after you last posted. For a healthy dog, that post anesthesia thing can be rough, but it sounds like things lasted a long time.


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Re: Renji health issues - test Qs [Re: MaxaLisa] #310415
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Re: Renji health issues - test Qs [Re: bianca] #310430
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All further tests normal. So why is he not normal? If he has mild hip dysplasia, could he be just extra sensitive to those changes?


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Re: Renji health issues - test Qs [Re: Diana] #310443
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Do you have a copy of the blood panel?


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Re: Renji health issues - test Qs [Re: MaxaLisa] #310447
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Not yet but should by early next week. Should have copies of everything by then.


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Re: Renji health issues - test Qs [Re: Diana] #310456
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I never believe blood tests are normal until I have them in my hands and I've verified that nothing is out of range and also nothing is near the borders of the ranges. I have seen blood tests declared "normal" by vets (even specialists), that were in fact, not normal.

If everything is, in fact, normal, then you;re in a tough spot. There are things that are hard to diagnose, and also things that don't have a path to diagnoi other than exclusion.

Stepping back, and looking at him as a whole, what do you see on a day to day basis? Are there things you have accepted as normal that might nor be normal?


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Re: Renji health issues - test Qs [Re: MaxaLisa] #310629
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Over the past year or so, he has slowed down a lot. Granted, he is anywhere between 6-8 years old but that's still fairly young. He's only good to play fetch a few throws before he must lay down. Often, he'll just get up and head for the house. Time of day doesn't seem to matter. The two really unique incidents were when he couldn't get up the A frame a year ago and then a few nights ago when he couldn't walk. Just way too unusual. His muscle tone is going down, too. Though his diet hasn't changed, his gas has become a great deal worse. Very sulphuric, to the point of making my throat itch. Just very abnormal. He has always been gassy on beef but nothing terrible. The benefits outweighed the toots. Now, I've taken him off of all beef except for liver and I think that's next.

Otherwise, there isn't anything else major. But things just aren't going right. I have his xrays and ultrasound and tomorrow will have his lab results. Will post them as I am able. If I think of more oddities, I will share.


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Re: Renji health issues - test Qs [Re: Diana] #310649
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I remember when you got Renji, and the first pictures you shared of your gorgeous, characterful boy. wub

Regarding his health issues, we wish that they could speak, and simply tell us. hammer You are doing a remarkable job of being thorough, turning over every stone Seven seems about right to begin settling/slowing down, but I agree that stopping after a few ball throws and laying down or heading back towards the house is very unusual. With the testing coming back within normal range, might you do further imaging such as an MRI? It really seems you've been so complete in checking his health. Renji is so very lucky to have you! May an understandable answer be found, and progress forward to Renji feeling better be on the near horizon! crossedfingers


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Re: Renji health issues - test Qs [Re: Braverhund] #310654
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Is it possible this was a very mild mesenteric torsion?

Let's recap the evening.

-Symptoms began about an hour or so after eating

-Dog acted extremely agitated, almost terrified. Whined, paced quickly, darted about, tried to be next to me, couldn't settle

-Stomach was tight but not bloated. Dog held breath and was very still when I palpated. This indicates he was in pain/discomfort

-Took him for walk, darted about during the walk nervously

-Urinated normally, had a small, sticky bowel movement

-Immediately after bowel movement, he was unable to walk. Wasn't exactly hunched over, but wasn't standing normally. Appeared to try to move upon encouragement but could not or WOULD not move rear legs

-Flopped over while being carried

-Nose was hot

-Lots of loud noises in abdominal area

-Slowly came out of it

-Gums never paled but were brighter pink than normal

-Typical bloat symptoms of coughing, licking air, and licking carpet were NOT exhibited. Typical pacing/anxious behavior was greatly increased

-Still doesn't seem quite right


Over the long term, these are some other observations I've noted

-Has had abnormally and unusually bad gas getting worse over past few months. Most recently VERY bad to the point of modifying diet. Gas is extremely sulphuric

-He has been developing exercise intolerance. He used to be able to hard fetch for 20-30 minutes + without stopping. Now he's good for a few small throws before he lies down or wants to go inside. I can tell he WANTS to play and is still intense, he just can't do it for long

-Muscle mass appears to be decreasing

-He is noticeably more wobbly on his rear legs. He walks more like one would expect a showline German shepherd to walk, not a "normal" dog with moderate/normal rear angulation

-He is itchier without any visible skin issues (coat is excellent, skin isn't flakier than normal, odor is normal for him, no observed redness)

-He seems to be coughing more and sneezing more

I've sent the above to the vets at the specialist center for their input. I have a feeling this might not be neurological, at least not directly.


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Re: Renji health issues - test Qs [Re: Diana] #310657
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Looking to see if maybe he has some underlying issue, like EPI or SIBO. He's never been gastrointestinally normal.


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Re: Renji health issues - test Qs [Re: Braverhund] #310659
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Well, there is definitely something going on that is affecting his gut and also ambulation(?). The two things may or may not be related.

Kinda waiting to see the blood reports before I say anything, but, are you giving any probiotics? Which ones, if so?

Eta: I don't recall, did you used to give gas-x regularly? Are you uing any digestive enzymes?

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Re: Renji health issues - test Qs [Re: MaxaLisa] #310662
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No probiotics, no enzymes. He was more or less fine for years. Occasional loose stool but nothing to give me pause after we moved out of that one townhouse that caused us both major health problems. Haven't given gasx in years, either. He is fed raw prey-model. For supplements he gets Springtime Longevity, Springtime Fresh Factors, Springtime Bug Off, and Springtime Stress Free Calmplex. Also fish oil. He has been on these for at least 1.5 - 2 years with no issues, rather vast improvements.


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Re: Renji health issues - test Qs [Re: Diana] #310664
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Pancreatitis??? http://www.2ndchance.info/pancreatitisdog.htm His meal before the episode was about a half pound of pork butt, no skin. A few days prior, he had a large portion of pork butt with the skin and had bad diarrhea.

Maybe it's pancreatitis? The ultrasound was normal but apparently that doesn't rule it out.


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