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Are German Shepherds being bred to standard which read agile and size and weight
listed are 22 -24 "for bitches and 24-26" for males and weight is around
90lbs. I am seeing 120-125 oversized dogs. Anyone else question this?

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Not really too surprising at all, as this isn't new. Besides, there are dogs bred to the standard for size-- but wildly out of the standard for off-the-charts extreme drive levels, or unusual color, or strange toplines, or whatever makes show/sport judges impressed nowadays. The pet crowd wants big, mellow teddybears. Each group of enthusiasts feel their type of GSD is the one closest to what a GSD "should be."


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The current "standard" is, as I understand it, set by the GSDCA - which it is my understanding (I'm feeling understanding this morning! wink ) is made up of dues paying members who own GSDs. Or at least dues paying members. For all I know they could own boarder collies.

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The current AKC "standard" is, as I understand it, set by the GSDCA - which it is my understanding (I'm feeling understanding this morning! wink ) is made up of dues paying members who own GSDs. Or at least dues paying members. (For all I know they could own boarder collies.) So keep that in mind when you look at the standard - a group of breed folks get together & decide what they want the dog to look like. (I think that they own AKC registered GSDs... but ..)

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Sigh.

Gallery of SV male winners, left column show winners ("Sieger" BSZS), right column performance winners ("Bundessieger", BSP): http://www.sensuroitu.net/GSD/2000.htm

GSDCA show winners 1940 to now: http://gsdca.org/GSDReviewed/NationalResults2000Plus.htm

The German standard (SV, club of country of origin) is the FCI standard. As I understand, the GSDCA standard differs in some ways? But it's all just pieces of paper...


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Seems like most folks "interpret" either standards they see fit. Least it sure seems that way sometimes.

In our old ScH club we had some German WL and some German SL, a Czech and my guy - US Sl.

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Whoops! bad finger push on the wrong key!

Anyway when we would run all of these dogs in a line in the ring - one would swear that we had different breeds in the ring - not all GSD!

And that is kind of unfortunate, but certainly understandable.

Personally I would like a "Down the middle' dog with a blend of the physical and mental characteristics of all of them (and a solid health base).

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I show in UKC and SV (WDA and USCA) and a 100+lb dog would be faulted, can't say I've ever seen that in the ring. In my experience the UKC venue has been more lax on size (both height and weight/condition) but recently at SV shows I've entered the judges have been fairly strict on size and weight. My male dog is 24.5" 70lbs and always critiqued as correct size, bone, and weight. I saw his littermate sister at a show once, she is a little shorter and weighs less being slightly smaller and feminine and the judge said in his critique that she is "absolutely correct" for female size and weight. I have seen some larger or taller dogs get a pass from the judge but have never seen 125lb dog, nor have I seen a dog that is actually correct in height and weight called too small, in fact they are generally marked/praised during their critique.

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Liesje, that is so encouraging to hear! I've recently seen a couple of correctly sized, dry, and agile WGSL dogs without the Akita forehead, but had no idea how this type would fare in shows. Their backs were still a bit roached but everything else was beautiful (to my eyes), incl. great nerves.

When I had my 55 lbs Feli, a dry, agile, brilliant GSD, some people asked me whether she was a dwarf GSD!

Elly is about 72 lbs and might still fill out more. Dry, agile, incredibly fast runner, just on the very upper end in size for a female.


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I have a 25", 78 pound female and I get a lot of remarks about her
being a small GSD. She is on the long side so she looks/is slender and she
glides when she trots.... which probably makes her look lighter(?)
Too many moose out there disguised as GSDs I guess.
I have to admit I do like large GSDs if they are in proportion and move well.
But most of the bigger ones I see move like Huskies and have Akita heads.


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Actually, your female is oversize according to the standard (AKC) - it calls for females to be 22-24' at the withers! Males 24-26"!

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Originally Posted By: annie
Are German Shepherds being bred to standard which read agile and size and weight
listed are 22 -24 "for bitches and 24-26" for males and weight is around
90lbs. I am seeing 120-125 oversized dogs. Anyone else question this?


Which standard are you referring to? There is no weight given in the US one, I don't believe.

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