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Re: Is Your Veterinarian Being Honest w/You--ABC News [Re: MaxaLisa] #300668
11/27/13 05:43 AM
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It seems to me, that many of the best owners out there, the ones that take the pup to the vet and follow through with everything, and go the extra mile to make sure they are doing the best thing for their dogs, well a lot of these owners tend to have a lot of problems with their dogs.

I know a lot of issues have a genetic component. But sometimes I wonder how much of a component that preventative medicine, vaccines and pesticides actually cause. The thing is, the owners are doing their very best for these dogs, and the veterinarian oath to do no harm, well, I really do not think they think they are doing harm. I wish more were open to consider it as a possibility though.

There are a lot of factors that are different these days that 20 or 30 years ago, and the life spans of dogs in general seem to be going down not up. You would think with all the excellent foods out there, and the elimination of a lot of diseases, that our dogs would be living longer and healthier lives. I don't see that happening though. Whether it is a more aggressive approach to pests, or an aggressive push to spay/neuter as early as possible, or over-vaccination, or even putting a dog under repeatedly for unnecessary dental work or toenail clipping.

I don't know, but people really do not want to deny a pup or dog the very best in vet care, and usually that means to do everything the vet recommends. Some, maybe most vets are very conscientious and do not use this power that they have to soak people for as much as they can. Maybe there are some of these out there. But, I think for the most part, the vets truly believe that the preventatives and the vaccines are overall safe, and the stuff they are recommending is in the dogs' best interests.

I think if the vets were just scoundrels, this would be a lot easier to manage. The AVMA could crack down on the scoundrels. Trying to chance protocols and move toward a less is more attitude might be something that is simply too difficult for some vets to even consider.


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Re: Is Your Veterinarian Being Honest w/You--ABC News [Re: Selzer] #300722
11/27/13 11:52 PM
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thank goodness I have vets that do not push vacs, atleast with me:)

I try to be 'informed', and my vets are very open to anything I want or dont want to pump into my dogs.

I have to say, I haven't done vacs on my dogs in years..Rabies yes, it's law here. Nothing else. 3 of my gsd's lived until almost 14 years of age, one 9, (spondylosis), I have two aussies right now, who are 14 and 13, Masi(gsd)
is just a 'pup' at 5. While good genes may play a role in the longevity I've been blessed with, I honestly think its the lack of "pumping" stuff into them as well. I don't use tick/flea stuff, I haven't seen a flea in years.

I can't say I've had any long lasting illnesses, never had a dog with HD or ED.

I can truly say I appreciate my vets:)


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Re: Is Your Veterinarian Being Honest w/You--ABC News [Re: JakodaCD OA] #300723
11/28/13 12:00 AM
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Lol, I thought about this thread as I was on hold today and the recording was talking about the importance of dentals and that most dogs by the age of 3 have evidence of peridontal disease....


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Re: Is Your Veterinarian Being Honest w/You--ABC News [Re: MaxaLisa] #300726
11/28/13 12:56 AM
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Originally Posted By: MaxaLisa
Lol, I thought about this thread as I was on hold today and the recording was talking about the importance of dentals and that most dogs by the age of 3 have evidence of peridontal disease....
Wow.


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Re: Is Your Veterinarian Being Honest w/You--ABC News [Re: Kris L. Christin] #300739
11/28/13 05:03 AM
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Originally Posted By: Kris L. Christin
Originally Posted By: MaxaLisa
Lol, I thought about this thread as I was on hold today and the recording was talking about the importance of dentals and that most dogs by the age of 3 have evidence of peridontal disease....
Wow.

Yes, very timely I guess.

I frequent two VCA clinics, both were not-VCA when I first went to them. At the bottom of every receipt, there is a list of all possible vaccines and when the dog should have them. At the specialty clinic, they have some listed as not recommended at least. At the clinic where I heard this recording, they recommended all the vaccines be discussed with the vet. It sickens me actually.

The older vets do what they feel is best I'm sure, but they are paid partially based on the amount of paid services that they bring in, which I wish this report would have gone into. I have to wonder, vets straight of school, starting here as a first job, what this teaches many of them. I think some will have a good compass regardless, but a lot don't, and many are impressionable coming straight out.

I envy places that have vet practice choice that aren't corporate owned - we've lost the battle here. I hope someday to see this turn around.


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Re: Is Your Veterinarian Being Honest w/You--ABC News [Re: MaxaLisa] #301305
12/03/13 05:29 PM
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Received this in the mail yesterday:



You know, I do think that dental issues are important and do not think that they should be minimized. Jazz came here at 6 months with more teeth stains than she has now - thank goodness I've been able to turn that around. I haven't been able to start her on raw bones for teeth cleaning because of her gut issues.

BUT, the fine print here of course is that their exam, understandably is under anesthesia (some holistic places have anesthesia free), and of course "vaccinations have to be up to date". What does that even mean? I suspect the vet makes the call, but this place does put a big OverDue after all Jazz's vaccines on the receipt after each and every visit, so I also expect the norm is annual vaccination.


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Re: Is Your Veterinarian Being Honest w/You--ABC News [Re: Kris L. Christin] #302093
12/10/13 03:13 PM
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Originally Posted By: Kris L. Christin
Maybe your vet can get the Titerchek kit (see below).


Here's the link for the 15 minute in-house titer tests for distemper and parvo: TiterChek Synbiotics
http://www.synbiotics.com/Products/CompanionAnimals/Canine/TiterCHEK-CDV-CPV-Distemper.html

From an article entitled, Ask Your Vet for TiterChek by Rhonad L. Rundle, 07/31/02 The Wall Street Journal
"Michael Dutton, a veterinarian and owner of Weare Animal Hospital in Weare, N.H., says the new TiterChek can help him and his clients determine which pets need a booster. ...... Dr. Dutton says he is charging clients $30 for the new in-office TiterChek test. That's less than half his $64 charge for the lab tests, which take 10 days and require mailing specimens overnight in ice packs. "

VACCICHECK http://biogal.co.il/vaccicheck-2/ : Here's the link to Dr. Schultz's Summary Results on his testing of VacciCheck for the USDA http://biogal.co.il/experts/

Thank you! Looks like the TiterCHEK comes as a kit of 16 tests, even more than the 12 in the VacciCheck kit. My vet says she doesn't have the demand for it. It's also up to vets to create the demand, I would think. Sigh.


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Re: Is Your Veterinarian Being Honest w/You--ABC News [Re: shepnterrier] #302167
12/11/13 12:33 AM
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Originally Posted By: shepnterrier
.... My vet says she doesn't have the demand for it. It's also up to vets to create the demand, I would think. Sigh.

Exactly. They could easily educate clients, instead of doing the hard sell on vaccinations....


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Re: Is Your Veterinarian Being Honest w/You--ABC News [Re: MaxaLisa] #304794
01/02/14 09:13 AM
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Great blog post on offering incentives for increasing the amount of Rx Pet food that is sold. I do think that it's a conflict of interest for vets to participate in programs like this, and thus unethical: http://truthaboutpetfood2.com/is-this-ethical




Last edited by MaxaLisa; 01/02/14 10:00 AM.

MaxaL (aka LisaT)

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Max, 5/2001-2/2012, RIP my partner, my Regal Boy
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Re: Is Your Veterinarian Being Honest w/You--ABC News [Re: MaxaLisa] #310915
03/15/14 11:35 PM
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Annual dental cleanings under anesthesia....at what age might the anesthesia start affecting their brains?

After my dad woke up from a surgery and could not walk well, due to sudden progression of parkinson's, I chalked it all up to his chemo. The surgeon said the progression was most likely the anesthesia.

This study shows a significant risk in the elderly for dementia after anesthesia. These things may not be considered in the veterinary community...
http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/261319.php


MaxaL (aka LisaT)

Jazmine, mini-mix, 10/18/2011
Max-n-Indy
Max, 5/2001-2/2012, RIP my partner, my Regal Boy
Indy, 5/1997-10/2010, RIP my friend, my teacher

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