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Re: Jazzy Jazz Jazmine, still [Re: Mary Jane] #308771
02/18/14 08:47 AM
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When she is happy and prancing, it's a great sight and can't help but make a person smile fetch

She had a very good day today. I think I want to stay the course for a bit. I hope that the IMS can add some insight.

I went back to what worked, and tweeked it a bit. Weaning quickly off the pred, back to the flagyl (fear it long term though), she I still on amoxi. Before meals he is being given scullcap and ginger, anti-spasmodics, and baking soda after. With that, we have had 4 tremor-free meals, which is amazing. I try to support her gut with probiotics, apple pectin (prebiotic), and marshmallow. I want to use l-glutamine, but holding off until I surely have the tremors under control

There are small tremors, but they don't materialize into more. She is still wary of eating, that it will induce the tremors, which I really sad.

ETA: Oh, forgot to add, for the fear and anxiety,I'm also trying some GABA (given to her by one of her vets long ago), and l-theanine (GABA precurser, guess it doesn't pas the blood brain barrier well). If I can get her tremor free for awhile, then I can start challenging by withdrawing supplements, but I need to provide her some comfort and relief right now.

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MaxaL (aka LisaT)

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Re: Jazzy Jazz Jazmine, still [Re: MaxaLisa] #308801
02/18/14 04:02 PM
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Have you tried taking her for walks every day, regardless? I know that always helps me, no matter how poorly I feel. And I walked my dogs, no matter how sick they were, because it really helped their spirit. It would also be helpful for you because I'm sure you are stressed out and she is feeling that.


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Re: Jazzy Jazz Jazmine, still [Re: BowWowMeow] #308821
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You are absolutely right Ruth. It's been cold, and that seems to make the tremors worse, but that is just an excuse. I need to make the effort for the both of us.

So, I just now went on the meetup.com site, and reserved for some of the upcoming dog hikes that are coming up. We both need something like that. I hope that we won't have to cancel, time is such a precious commodity right now, but I really also need to make some lifestyle changes. So stressed, and I know that that's not good for Jazz either. I just need to get her stamina up.

I've been wondering this morning if the tremors aren't really cramping....all sorts of cramping disorders in small terriers frown

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Re: Jazzy Jazz Jazmine, still [Re: MaxaLisa] #308823
02/18/14 07:24 PM
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Lisa I have just caught up with what is happening with Jazz - do contact me if you need some homeopathic help. Don't miss the meet-up hike if you can it will do you both good:) I know how stressful life can get when you are trying to figure out what you need to do to keep your dog alive. Can I recommend that you keep a diary - ( I know one more thing to do!) - record what medication/therepy you are using and any noticeable changes. When you are dealing with long-term illness then it really helps to have a written record to see what is working and what isn't. With Chamsa I had months where I felt I was going round in circles and the record I kept really helped me to work out what was happening.

Re: Jazzy Jazz Jazmine, still [Re: anniej] #308869
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Thank you annie!! I really do want to follow up, sorry there was so much for you to read! I am not super diligent with it, but I do have a diary. I have been trying to be better about keeping it updated.

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We had an appt with the IMS today. As before, he thinks this is multifunctional, there are several things going on. The bad news is that he thinks we haven't seen the brunt of "it" yet, that there are some serious things lurking frown He does hope however, with some preventive measures, we can either avoid that, or diminish its impact...

We're disappointed all around that the pred was not helpful. He did say that we might not have had a high enough dose to have the desired impact, and some of the things I thought the pred was making worse may have been side effects resulting in other things, rather than the pred making one of her conditions worse. Subtle I think. In the last week and a half, she lost a kg because of not eating from the pred (her ribs can be seen more easily at most angles), and there is noticeable loss of muscle mass. He gave me instructions how to finish weaning her off.

He isn't very familiar with the herb (American) scullcap, so didn't have a comment about that specifically. He is more familiar with ginger, and has had some clients managed with it long term, so that may be promising. He thought it's entirely realistic that this is an issue of cramping, to some degree at least. He said that the baking soda is fine, and as long as I don't overdo it, will not hurt. It points more to a stomach issue/gastritis, than the lower colon issues where he biopsied and found inflammation previously. He's nervous about using acid inhibitor drugs in her because of other effects they could have and is fine with sticking with the baking soda for now.

I have not been successful in adding vegetables, she doesn't like them, doesn't like anything but meat. BUT, she seems to love Honest Kitchen's Preference, which is their veggie base, and I've been adding that to meals.

I would like to have some xrays done, particularly of the neck area, to look for anything obvious, because I have found some weird reactions in that area at times and there is obvious discomfort. He thinks that's reasonable, but we don't want to do any anesthesia procedures right now and mess her up. The next logical test is an endoscopy (just paid off Care Credit from her last major procedure frown ), but she would need to be off pred for awhile, and if that is done, that is the logical time to do the xrays, to minimize any procedures done on her. I had been thinking that we may end up having to do the endoscopy - hoping that I am wrong!

We talked about the value of an MRI (which I won't be able to afford on top of everything else). Frankly, I'm getting worried that she has some sort of serious issue, like this one: http://www.cavalierhealth.org/syringomyelia.htm , which occurs other breeds too. He didn't discourage this thought, though he said that, right now, other things seem more likely.

For now, we'll get her weaned off pred, see how the herbal, etc., protocol works longer term, increase the acupuncture, and give the body a chance to stabilize before we do anything else, as long she doesn't get worse. I'm cautiously optimistic about the new protocol, but I know not to get too excited about things too soon.

So, there we are. Tonight she was able to eat with no tremors, and even did a happy dinner dance before and after the meal, in a limited way. But that's progress. I hope that it can continue.


MaxaL (aka LisaT)

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Re: Jazzy Jazz Jazmine, still [Re: MaxaLisa] #308881
02/19/14 04:28 PM
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This is really a day by day struggle. I'm so sorry that Jazz lost weight but glad to see that she has enjoyed other meals lately. It's quite impressive how you (and her IMS) really are conducting treatment trials and the real time analysis has to pay off sometime. I wish you didn't have to consider serious things like that awful condition in cavaliers but I guess when you don't know what you're dealing with you have to consider all kinds of things. Personally, I don't think Jazz could have that condition because she is too proportionate.

I do look forward to more happy dinner dances.

MJ

Re: Jazzy Jazz Jazmine, still [Re: Mary Jane] #308901
02/19/14 09:35 PM
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May you get many more happy dances...and although small changes a positive that some meals have been tremor free.

I don't know why, but I keep coming back to the thought of esophageal / stomach issues where the tremors are pain related to spasms or as you say cramping.

Big hugging to you and Jazz, I hope stress levels reduce for you soon.


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Re: Jazzy Jazz Jazmine, still [Re: MaxaLisa] #308912
02/20/14 01:43 AM
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Originally Posted By: MaxaLisa
For now, we'll get her weaned off pred, see how the herbal, etc., protocol works longer term, increase the acupuncture, and give the body a chance to stabilize before we do anything else, as long she doesn't get worse.


Sounds like a good plan to me. thumbup Keep those happy dinner dances coming too. hug


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Re: Jazzy Jazz Jazmine, still [Re: SeanRescueMom] #308918
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A happy dinner dance sounds wonderful and keeping all paws crossed that we have that as a regular occurrence. Lisa, I know I've said it before but Jazzy is just the luckiest girl to have you hugging hugging


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Re: Jazzy Jazz Jazmine, still [Re: bianca] #308939
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Keeping my fingers crossed for you that things will start improving and Jazz will turn the corner into good health soon.

Re: Jazzy Jazz Jazmine, still [Re: anniej] #308941
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It warms my heart to think of Jazz doing a happy dance for her dinner!


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Re: Jazzy Jazz Jazmine, still [Re: Shepherds] #308989
02/21/14 07:06 AM
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Yes! absolutely, the happy dancing is so nice to see, what a relief.

Today she was "off" her food again, but no outright tremors. Bad anxiety in the car, but it was also a pred day. CANNOT WAIT for that stuff to be done.



Originally Posted By: Mary Jane
.... I wish you didn't have to consider serious things like that awful condition in cavaliers but I guess when you don't know what you're dealing with you have to consider all kinds of things. Personally, I don't think Jazz could have that condition because she is too proportionate....

I have thought the same thing about the proportionality. She doesn't have that "domed head" that the Chis and Cavaliers have - I had thought that would rule out any of those weird issues. But I'm still getting worried frown


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I don't know why, but I keep coming back to the thought of esophageal / stomach issues where the tremors are pain related to spasms or as you say cramping.

I think that this is not unreasonable. My mom has something called Barrett's esophagus. The barriers between the small intestine and the stomach, and the stomach and the esophagus don't work, so there is small intestinal growth that has grown into her stomach and stomach stuff that has grown into her esophagus. Normally I would use DGL licorice, which she does not do well on (licorice allergy related to peanut allergy?), maybe glutamine (may be excitational and increase anxiety). I wonder if she has something like a haital hernia, she's already had two hernias.

It's also true that she has some spinal and neck issues. It's just not clear what is affecting what. Acupuncturing the neck seizure points stopping the tremors for a day really throws a bit of a monkey wrench into things.

I really want to know where her microchip is - it's bugging me thinking that it may have moved into a really weird position. But that's just a long shot though.


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Re: Jazzy Jazz Jazmine, still [Re: MaxaLisa] #308995
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If and when she has an xray, the microchip would show? hugging hugging


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Re: Jazzy Jazz Jazmine, still [Re: bianca] #309031
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why cant you find the chip??


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Re: Jazzy Jazz Jazmine, still [Re: Schnickle Fritz] #309083
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Oh, it's not that we can't find it, we just haven't looked for it yet. I'd like to know where it is. The scanner picks it up if you put it anywhere close, so it can't pinpoint location. There are anectodal stories of those things moving and creating big problems, so I think the xray makes sense for that too.


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