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Re: Jazzy Jazz Jazmine, starting fresh [Re: Mary Jane] #294169
09/10/13 07:32 AM
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Puzzle is good hugging


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Re: Jazzy Jazz Jazmine, starting fresh [Re: bianca] #294246
09/10/13 09:48 PM
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Puzzle would be appropriate crazy

Before bed, I give her some probiotics with a bit of raw goat milk. The quart here, with tax, is about $11.50, so it's good that I have a small dog. I pay a little more if I buy by the pint, but I don't want it to go bad - have no idea how long it can be open for. I did pick up some of the powder too yesterday, in case it comes in handy.

I have been trying some canned trippett the last couple of days, and it's amazing the difference that has made. She comes running in to eat, and I haven't seen that in ages (she runs to the goat milk too). In the mornings, I'm using the Wellness Simple lamb and oat canned with the trippett mixed in, and homecooked mixed with the trippett in the evening. When is too much tripe too much?????

The key is giving these things away from the antibiotics. I am changing my abx schedule too, giving it a bit before the meal, with an enzyme that has bromelain, which makes the abx penetrate better, and maybe the meal will sit better away from the abx.

For the last two days, she has had a bowel movement in the morning and in the evening, which is huge. Usually I'm happy if she goes once a day. Getting her, uh, "regular" may make a huge impact on her quality of life.

I have an appt with the IMS on Thursday, but might postpone it if she continues to improve.

Holding my breath a bit, usually by the fourth day thigns go to heck, so will wait this out for a bit....


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Re: Jazzy Jazz Jazmine, starting fresh [Re: MaxaLisa] #294248
09/10/13 09:54 PM
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Bonnie, I have been thinking about Buddy, hope he responds well to the abx. Do let us know!


MaxaL (aka LisaT)

Jazmine, mini-mix, 10/18/2011
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Re: Jazzy Jazz Jazmine, starting fresh [Re: MaxaLisa] #294263
09/11/13 12:30 AM
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Originally Posted By: MaxaLisa
For the last two days, she has had a bowel movement in the morning and in the evening, which is huge. Usually I'm happy if she goes once a day.

Wow, so this is good. Looks like you are on the right track. Hopefully, a beginning to regularity smile


...in remembrance of all Timber Wolves unjustifyably hunted down and killed for no valid reason at all.
Re: Jazzy Jazz Jazmine, starting fresh [Re: TimberWolf] #294271
09/11/13 01:47 AM
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Gosh I sure hope so crossedfingers


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Re: Jazzy Jazz Jazmine, starting fresh [Re: MaxaLisa] #294279
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Glad to hear that she's super interested in food. That much be so nice to see! I don't think there is such a thing as too much tripe. There are people who feed their dogs nothing but tripe!


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Re: Jazzy Jazz Jazmine, starting fresh [Re: BowWowMeow] #294282
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Yah this is wonderful to read, may it be the start of her health no longer being such a huge worry!


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Cooper GSD (The Gremlin) 19/10/11
Texas - Tabby cat (Feb 1996-2013) Run free sweet Teppie
Paris - Tabby cat (Feb 1996-2013) Run free my beautiful girl.
Re: Jazzy Jazz Jazmine, starting fresh [Re: MaxaLisa] #294323
09/11/13 05:15 PM
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Originally Posted By: MaxaLisa
..... When is too much tripe too much?????

...


Gosh Lisa, you reminded me of the tiny restaurant I used to go to when I lived in Switzerland-on Tuesdays in the fall they had a tripe 'festival' all you can eat prepared in a few different ways. I was younger....

So crossedfingers for the fourth day, and the fifth day, and ever after

MJ

Re: Jazzy Jazz Jazmine, starting fresh [Re: Mary Jane] #294441
09/13/13 01:09 AM
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MJ, so you have eaten tripe (not even going talk about the jealousy of living over there for awhile smile )

We had a follow-up with the IMS today. Her urinalysis (free catch from home) always shows protein and a few things. They took some urine from the bladder and ran the urinalysis and also a urine protein/creatinine ratio to check the kidneys. ALL NORMAl groovy This is a HUGE relief, and alo points to all of these issues being in her gut, and the ongoing inflammation hasn't damaged her kidneys.

We will continue my current feeding experiement, will also try some pumpkin since I havven't tried that (and the IMS is a big fan of pumpkin too). If the diet and my current experiment doesn't do the trick long term, then we will have to turn to pred to make her feel better.

If it looks like we are going to use pred, I'll alo have to have regular bloodwork and thyroid done before, since the pred tends to change everything. We are both thinking that that is where we will end up, but both hoping that we are wrong.

Last edited by MaxaLisa; 09/13/13 01:11 AM.

MaxaL (aka LisaT)

Jazmine, mini-mix, 10/18/2011
Max-n-Indy
Max, 5/2001-2/2012, RIP my partner, my Regal Boy
Indy, 5/1997-10/2010, RIP my friend, my teacher

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Re: Jazzy Jazz Jazmine, starting fresh [Re: MaxaLisa] #294462
09/13/13 07:23 AM
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Normal is great! I hope your sweet beautiful girl handles the pumpkin and that helps hugging


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Cooper GSD (The Gremlin) 19/10/11
Texas - Tabby cat (Feb 1996-2013) Run free sweet Teppie
Paris - Tabby cat (Feb 1996-2013) Run free my beautiful girl.
Re: Jazzy Jazz Jazmine, starting fresh [Re: bianca] #294465
09/13/13 11:04 AM
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Lisa, I just learned that papaya does a great job of soothing the gut.

I know you don't want to make a lot of changes, but maybe a good capsule form papaya?


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Re: Jazzy Jazz Jazmine, starting fresh [Re: PositiveDog] #294491
09/13/13 08:13 PM
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Normal, we like normal! Somehow, not really sure why, I worry more about kidney and bladder in small dogs-so this is great.

I will say that I'm not so sure about tripe and pumpkin at once, maybe in different courses.

crossedfingers you don't have to go to prednisone crossedfingers.

MJ

Re: Jazzy Jazz Jazmine, starting fresh [Re: Mary Jane] #294511
09/14/13 03:39 AM
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Lol, tripe and pumpkin at the same time does *not* sound good, even for a dog that loves tripe rofl

MJ, I think the small dog bladder thing might be all the reports of bladder cancer in the little buggers, I think from being so low to the ground, close to all the pesticides, fertilizers, etc. I try not to let jazz pee on the really green lawns, for her safety...

Bonnie, I think the biggest strength in papaya is its enzyme activity, but I hadn't thought about it for fiber, which may be helpful. There is some in her digestive enzyme, but I think I will put it on her list of this to try.

I picked up some pumpkin and some psyllium to try. She has a chiro appt tuesday, but I will alo have them run a blood panel in case things go south. There was ome shivering this morning, bit this afternoon she was feeling great.

Wondering about tripe - would antibiotics interfere with any of the nutrient value of tripe? http://www.aplaceforpaws.com/faqs/products/what-is-tripe-and-why-should-i-feed-it-to-my-dog.html
I am using canned tripe (Tripett), beef or lamb: http://wholesomepet.com/article_8-16-07_tripett_info.php


MaxaL (aka LisaT)

Jazmine, mini-mix, 10/18/2011
Max-n-Indy
Max, 5/2001-2/2012, RIP my partner, my Regal Boy
Indy, 5/1997-10/2010, RIP my friend, my teacher

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Re: Jazzy Jazz Jazmine, worried [Re: MaxaLisa] #295017
09/20/13 02:56 PM
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Worried about Jazz's new blood results, sounds scary. In her blood, there are a lot more lymphocytes compared to the neutrophils than there should be. This is what the pathologist wrote:

The blood smear is reviewed as requested by the reviewing technologist to check lymphocyte morphology. The patient is a 2 year old spayed femaled Beagle cross. Lymphocytes are generally mixed and primarily mature with rare reactive lymphocytes noted on scanning, generally of small to medium size. There are a couple of intermediate-sized mononuclear cells that are poorly preserved and distorted in shape with a bit more basophilia. They are considered somewhat suspicious, yet, in such low numbers, it is not possible to distinguish them from reactive lymphocytes. Reactive lymphocytes can occur in symptomatic and asymptomatic patiens for a variety of causes, generally in association with immunostimulation (recent vaccination, exposure to infectious agents, dermatitis, a septic process somewhere, liver diseasea, or inflammation or ischemia involving viscera). The clinical features should help to determin indications for any further testing. Follow-up CBC might be a good idea to track whether there is persistence or increase of atypical or unclassed cells.

Full records are here for blood test geeks....probably have to be signed into google.... Jazz's spreadsheet

I have a call into the IMS. I know that Lymphoma has not been taken off the table, so I hope that the IMS has a better explanation. I worried about the structure of her intestines, as well as just not having the right abx.

(not a beagle cross, but beagle, dachshund, close I guess wink )

Last edited by MaxaLisa; 09/20/13 02:58 PM.

MaxaL (aka LisaT)

Jazmine, mini-mix, 10/18/2011
Max-n-Indy
Max, 5/2001-2/2012, RIP my partner, my Regal Boy
Indy, 5/1997-10/2010, RIP my friend, my teacher

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Re: Jazzy Jazz Jazmine, worried [Re: MaxaLisa] #295018
09/20/13 03:06 PM
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Oh, my gosh Lisa, I am so sorry. That is worrisome for sure. What is going on? I don't know what to say. I am so sad to hear. Hugs


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