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Re: Cooper - help needed please (stomach issue) [Re: bianca] #297045
10/14/13 12:23 PM
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That poor sweet boy that doesn't want his blood drawn anymore! That's a shame.

I know he has his real health problems, but my goodness it doesn't show on his coat. I guess that's love combined with sardines.

MJ

Re: Cooper - help needed please (stomach issue) [Re: bianca] #297053
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No, the stressing out wouldn't cause the eosinophils to be high frown

Considering he gets dewormed, and how well he did off of the kibble, I would say that he needs to be off this kibble. With Jazz, she has been getting metronidazole once every other day and it has cut her Eos in half (her fecals are also clear). I don't know if that's parasite or inflammation.

With the Eos, that can turn into an ugly form of IBD, and since he is having symptoms, I would act on this. Whether you ak for something like metro, or try a different food option, it's just clear that he's not feeling well frown


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Re: Cooper - help needed please (stomach issue) [Re: MaxaLisa] #297086
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Thank you Mary Jane and Lisa for your continued help hugging hugging I have a small bag of Blackhawk (aussie made) that is grainfree that I have been trying to get him to eat just at lunch time. I guess I can try and wean him onto that and see how he goes? If not I will have to go back to raw but then he can't handle chicken frames for example and I used that as a staple frown


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Cooper GSD (The Gremlin) 19/10/11
Texas - Tabby cat (Feb 1996-2013) Run free sweet Teppie
Paris - Tabby cat (Feb 1996-2013) Run free my beautiful girl.
Re: Cooper - help needed please (stomach issue) [Re: bianca] #297164
10/16/13 05:53 AM
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Yes, it's definitely worth a try.

The food thing is so hard - I had similar problems with Max frown


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Re: Cooper - help needed please (stomach issue) [Re: MaxaLisa] #297165
10/16/13 06:20 AM
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Cooper GSD (The Gremlin) 19/10/11
Texas - Tabby cat (Feb 1996-2013) Run free sweet Teppie
Paris - Tabby cat (Feb 1996-2013) Run free my beautiful girl.
Re: Cooper - help needed please (stomach issue) [Re: bianca] #297174
10/16/13 11:13 AM
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I am lost as to what to do, I had to give him a Previcox last night and tonight and he has the runs again frown I did also give him more of the Blackhawk food and less of the Canidae so not sure of the cause. Or it could be his antler frown

I'm really not sure how to proceed other than 100% Canidae and find some other food and slowly, slowly, slowly introduce it.

How do you substitute bone in a raw diet when his stomach can't tolerate it?


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Cooper GSD (The Gremlin) 19/10/11
Texas - Tabby cat (Feb 1996-2013) Run free sweet Teppie
Paris - Tabby cat (Feb 1996-2013) Run free my beautiful girl.
Re: Cooper - help needed please (stomach issue) [Re: bianca] #297235
10/17/13 11:41 AM
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Well I've just ordered a small bag of Taste of the wild - wild pacific stream salmon and will gradually introduce that to both dogs when it arrives. Coop didn't finish his dinner again tonight. I will wait until the weekend and then try a teeny bit of the green tripe to his meal.


Molly Moo (aka The Piranha, 4 legged mouth) GSD (31/10/09)
Cooper GSD (The Gremlin) 19/10/11
Texas - Tabby cat (Feb 1996-2013) Run free sweet Teppie
Paris - Tabby cat (Feb 1996-2013) Run free my beautiful girl.
Re: Cooper - help needed please (stomach issue) [Re: bianca] #297244
10/17/13 12:30 PM
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Originally Posted By: bianca
....Coop didn't finish his dinner again tonight. ....


Poor sweet boy and poor sweet Bianca. GSD are such magnificent dogs with these flaws that trip us up. I can't offer any advice, but I certainly send all kinds of best wishes.

MJ

Re: Cooper - help needed please (stomach issue) [Re: Mary Jane] #297301
10/17/13 10:07 PM
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Aww, Bianca sorry to read of Cooper's ongoing problems. It is so worrying when they lose appetite especially if it has not been a problem in the past. He does look kind of depressed in the last photos yet he looked great when he and Molly were playing. I am sorry to have have contacted you about my concerns when you have so much going on yourself. You are a lovely person and your dogs are lucky to have you. hugging


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Re: Cooper - help needed please (stomach issue) [Re: Qyn] #297321
10/18/13 06:35 AM
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Thank you Mary Jane hugging Alison, don't you dare be sorry hugging hugging


Molly Moo (aka The Piranha, 4 legged mouth) GSD (31/10/09)
Cooper GSD (The Gremlin) 19/10/11
Texas - Tabby cat (Feb 1996-2013) Run free sweet Teppie
Paris - Tabby cat (Feb 1996-2013) Run free my beautiful girl.
Re: Cooper - help needed please (stomach issue) [Re: bianca] #297323
10/18/13 07:24 AM
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Originally Posted By: bianca

How do you substitute bone in a raw diet when his stomach can't tolerate it?

I don't....some dogs can't tolerate raw.

You might try the chicken and rice again and see if he responds. If he does, you know it's the kibble.

I am still worried about a version of colitis that might need some metronidazole, which also has a mild anti-inflammatory (or even amoxicillin).

I hate with all my being to say this, but you might consider a trial of the hill's z/d, only to see if it helps - you would have to cost out that and the cooked chicken and rice and see what is more doable financially perhaps.

I know how hard this is, on so many different levels hugging


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Re: Cooper - help needed please (stomach issue) [Re: MaxaLisa] #297345
10/18/13 11:09 AM
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Thank you so much again Lisa hugging He used to eat raw so I don't know what changed unless it's all the ongoing sedations???? His poops are back to normal now so I will not give him any more of the Blackhawk (Molly cast iron guts can finish the bag) and will wait until the TOTW arrives and see how that goes.

If none of that helps then I will buy a bag of zd just to satisfy the vet and then I can push for abx to trial. Does that sound ok.

I was saying to Alison the other day that it's so hard to know if he is in pain (hips) or stressed. He pants so hard compared to Moo and I know the wind now freaks him out. So I never know if I should give Previcox or not.


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Cooper GSD (The Gremlin) 19/10/11
Texas - Tabby cat (Feb 1996-2013) Run free sweet Teppie
Paris - Tabby cat (Feb 1996-2013) Run free my beautiful girl.
Re: Cooper - help needed please (stomach issue) [Re: bianca] #297354
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The anesthesia does take it's toll, but the previcox may be worse for him, it's hard to know.

The gut takes a LONG time to heal, and can't if the conditions aren't just right. If the kibble or a pathogen in the kibble is at fault, there will also be steady deterioration frown if you have anything alippery elm or l-glutamine around, it would be worth trying.

I think that's a reasonable plan, I just suspect, at this point, regular kibble isn't going to work. Hope that I am wrong!


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Jazmine, mini-mix, 10/18/2011
Max-n-Indy
Max, 5/2001-2/2012, RIP my partner, my Regal Boy
Indy, 5/1997-10/2010, RIP my friend, my teacher

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Re: Cooper - help needed please (stomach issue) [Re: bianca] #297423
10/19/13 03:36 AM
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Originally Posted By: bianca
How do you substitute bone in a raw diet when his stomach can't tolerate it?


Can you try ground eggshell? It would be a half tsp per pound of meat.

Re: Cooper - help needed please (stomach issue) [Re: Tammi] #297429
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Thank you both hugging I wish there was a magic spot you could press and get a diagnosis frown


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Cooper GSD (The Gremlin) 19/10/11
Texas - Tabby cat (Feb 1996-2013) Run free sweet Teppie
Paris - Tabby cat (Feb 1996-2013) Run free my beautiful girl.
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