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Re: Jazzy Jazz Jazmine, it's always something!! [Re: Kayos] #275354
03/13/13 01:16 PM
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Lisa, my goodness....you two have been through the grinder. I can't lend advise but also just wanted to express thoughts and wishes for better health for Jazzy and a break from all these health challenges. Hugs.


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Re: Jazzy Jazz Jazmine, it's always something!! [Re: TimberWolf] #275361
03/13/13 01:50 PM
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Lisa, sorry you and Jazz are going through this! I hope you get some good answers at your appt.


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Re: Jazzy Jazz Jazmine, it's always something!! [Re: bianca] #275374
03/13/13 02:55 PM
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geez i am sorry to read this... hope you get some answers soon


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Re: Jazzy Jazz Jazmine, it's always something!! [Re: Schnickle Fritz] #275376
03/13/13 03:09 PM
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Thanks everyone, I appreciate it! I just want her to be okay and not have any more pain...or surgeries frown

Lori, thanks for all that description, I will be on the watch too paranoid2 She has had puffy neck glands on occassion. Her long term vet, who herself had salivary gland problems and had to have them removed, thought it might have been spasms due to that (speaking from her personal experience), and some google showed that that' not uncommon. I had forgotten about that, but I guess I was just holding onto that thought, but certainly I need to watch for other signs of possible seizure activity. She is also low normal thyroid - I'm vet said that may resolve once she is better, or not.

Part of me is more inclined to think neuromuscular problem.

Max was a fly biter, but there were always actually flies, but I always made ure of that shocked


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Re: Jazzy Jazz Jazmine, it's always something!! [Re: MaxaLisa] #275378
03/13/13 03:30 PM
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frown Poor Jazz and Poor you!!

I have no experience with dogs with seizures, I do have some weirdness of my own though.

I have a thing that happens where it feels like my brain is rolling over in my skull - very odd and a second thing where the skin crawls up the back of my neck over my scalp and then I feel a non-painful "zing" down my arm (This is triggered by sound).

I wore a monitor for 24 hours (I was pretty at work that day rofl) and it showed no seizures. I then had a sleep deprived EEG and though it showed no seizures it did show "abnormal electrical activity in my temporal lobe". I took medication for a time for it but decided the cure was worse than the illness when I found I couldn't think correctly and it was impacting my job.

What I have found over the years is that if I am sleep deprived then this all ramps up and if it's also cold I add in a restless leg/arm type issue even though I'm awake.

All that to simply say that I honestly believe that even without seizures I believe brains can do some odd things that impact the living being in odd ways.

I so hope you get to the bottom of this with Jazz, for both your sakes!

Lori - Good to see you here!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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Re: Jazzy Jazz Jazmine, it's always something!! [Re: Barb E] #275392
03/13/13 05:51 PM
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hugging Thanks Barb. Not too much. I'm supposed to be spending LESS time on he Internet. It's not like the fairies show up and get my work done for me.

(Stupid Slacker Fairies) hammer

Besides, I've forgotten all the smiley shortcuts. I used to have a bazillion of them. I feel like I can barely communicate. But I go where my friends may need me. Just flash the Bat --uh- GSD bat ears signal in the night sky. gsdbeggin

Re: Jazzy Jazz Jazmine, it's always something!! [Re: 3K9Mom] #275455
03/14/13 11:39 AM
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Lisa,

I've had limited internet access for some time and I wanted to try to digest this before posting. I just hate that little Jazz may need more surgery. Has she finished growing? If needed, does the surgery assist in achieving her final body structure or do you have to wait? It also makes sense that more than one thing is going on but you need some one hour TV drama to solve all those problems at once.

You know that I don't know anything specific. I just want her to be the world's best dog (well-one of the world's best dogs) for you.

Please keep posting,
Mary Jane

Re: Jazzy Jazz Jazmine, it's always something!! [Re: Mary Jane] #275489
03/14/13 03:08 PM
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Hi MJ, I had noticed that weren't around much, I hope that everything is okay.

Best guess is that she is 17 months now, and fully grown. I think more than anything, he's thinking that it wan't just the hernias that grew wrong when she was developing, so this would fix her, if they can find anything wrong. I had read a number of papers in human cases where there was weird urogenital stuff with inguinal hernias. I just hope they do find something (it will be very expensive to do this), and that this something will make a lot of thing a whole lot better.

Ugh, I am just getting her hernia and ultraound paid off. Don't know what I'd do without Care Credit. Also interesting note, the specialty clinic that is my main vet clinic for her, has things payable for a year w/o, while my old clinic always had 6 months. Interesting that they have different arrangements.

Anyway, the GABA he is on for her anxiety is working really, so that is making me happy.


MaxaL (aka LisaT)

Jazmine, mini-mix, 10/18/2011
Max-n-Indy
Max, 5/2001-2/2012, RIP my partner, my Regal Boy
Indy, 5/1997-10/2010, RIP my friend, my teacher

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Re: Jazzy Jazz Jazmine, it's always something!! [Re: MaxaLisa] #275523
03/14/13 09:24 PM
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I am at a loss for words. I am so sad for you two going through this. All I can give is this hugging hugging feels like so little in the face of this situation. frown


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Re: Jazzy Jazz Jazmine, it's always something!! [Re: TimberWolf] #275535
03/14/13 11:01 PM
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This is way out of my league but I just wanted to say that I'm thinking of you and your sweet Jazz, Lisa. hugging

I hope you can find answers and solutions!


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Re: Jazzy Jazz Jazmine, it's always something!! [Re: BowWowMeow] #275545
03/15/13 12:25 AM
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Paging Dr. House!

The scope sounds promising. The urine is only off when it's a free catch, so it sounds like something structural is holding the urine in. It doesn't happen when it's straight from the bladder. Plus, the issues with the hernia, there's a pretty good chance it's all related and *hopefully* a less complicated surgery/fix. It also may explain GI issues. A low infection can do that, and maybe she is anxious b/c it hurts to pee or something?

Oy. I feel for you. Not knowing is so hard.

When Rudy's thryoid came back low and low normal, I sent his info to Dr. Dodds. My vet was hesitant to treat Rudy for it, but Dr. Dodd said most definitely Rudy needed treatment. You may consider sending her Jazz's info, as well.

The seizure stuff, I'm no help.

I kind of hope they find something fixable on the scope. Stinks Jazz may be looking at more surgery, but hopefully they can fix her up and she will have a long, healthy life.

Re: Jazzy Jazz Jazmine, it's always something!! [Re: m&j] #275592
03/15/13 07:00 AM
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Thanks you guys, I really hope that this will find what's going on.

After researching more today, on GI issues and hernias and horses, I sure hope we are looking at the right part of the body.

m&j, the thyroid testing was through Dodds. It is low in some areas, but they think it might be because she is sick, and that it will resolve once we get her better. Time will tell I guess.


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Jazmine, mini-mix, 10/18/2011
Max-n-Indy
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Re: Jazzy Jazz Jazmine, it's always something!! [Re: 3K9Mom] #275593
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Originally Posted By: 3K9Mom
Besides, I've forgotten all the smiley shortcuts. I used to have a bazillion of them. I feel like I can barely communicate. But I go where my friends may need me. Just flash the Bat --uh- GSD bat ears signal in the night sky. gsdbeggin


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MaxaL (aka LisaT)

Jazmine, mini-mix, 10/18/2011
Max-n-Indy
Max, 5/2001-2/2012, RIP my partner, my Regal Boy
Indy, 5/1997-10/2010, RIP my friend, my teacher

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Re: Jazzy Jazz Jazmine, it's always something!! [Re: MaxaLisa] #275804
03/17/13 03:09 AM
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Just an update.

At the same time I've stopped the cipro, Jazz has had a terrible digestive flair, this time with vomiting and real diarrhea, and she won't eat anything. Could have also been the gunk she ate that fell from the garbage truck crazy Indy used to love the day after garbage day for that reason - would love for Jazz to not follow that quirk.

One thing that's pretty clear is that Jazz has quite a bit of inflammation, though it's not clear where it stems from. It seems to also be starting to show in her bloodwork, and the high WBC's in the urinalysis are also part of it.

So, I've been doing some research on IBD this weekend, incluing Crohn's and ulcerative colitis - these have some of the same blood profiles and symptoms that jazz is developing. I found that, at least part of cipro's anti-inflammatory effect is that it decreases TNF (tumor necrosis factor), so the cipro may very well be acting as an immune modulator rather than an antibiotic for her. I think that the vet thinks this too, though he also mentioned that it may have some hormonal actions, which are not yet off the table.

Before we finished our appt, I mentioned to him that I was pretty sure that he would say that he thought Jazz had IBD. He spoke a long "well.....", and then said, let's just see, and mentioned that he thinks that is still a real possibility. As I am learning more, I think it's very likely, and I'm hoping that there isn't some sort of anatomical thing wrong intestinally, because I can only afford one of these huge expenses about once a year!

She went without eating for about a day and a half, which is pretty tough for an 18 pound dog. But I am trying a protocol on her, and I guess we'll see how that goes in the next few days, she's held her food down this afternoon. Now that I think I am understanding her better, I hope to be able to manage things better too, and keep her off of abx.


MaxaL (aka LisaT)

Jazmine, mini-mix, 10/18/2011
Max-n-Indy
Max, 5/2001-2/2012, RIP my partner, my Regal Boy
Indy, 5/1997-10/2010, RIP my friend, my teacher

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Re: Jazzy Jazz Jazmine, it's always something!! [Re: MaxaLisa] #275811
03/17/13 09:05 AM
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Oh wow Lisa, I was so hoping that after Miss Jazz's initial hernia issues she would have perfect health. Regardless she couldn't have gone to a better person to get to the bottom of this. Sending you both so many good positive wishes :hugging


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