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Re: Jazzy Jazz Jazmine, it's always something!! [Re: MaxaLisa] #279686
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This is awesome news for Jazz, so that she is responding… tears of joy, BIG smiley face.
Fingers and paws crossed it continues.

Re: Jazzy Jazz Jazmine, it's always something!! [Re: MSD] #279689
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Lisa, I am glad Jazzy is responding to the treatment. Very good news. You go Jazzy girl. You can do it! Enough with this pesky crap ...on to perfect health!


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Re: Jazzy Jazz Jazmine, it's always something!! [Re: MaxaLisa] #279709
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Re: Jazzy Jazz Jazmine, it's always something!! [Re: m&j] #279752
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groovy A quiet celebration - will pull out the big bands when we hear more!


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Re: Jazzy Jazz Jazmine, it's always something!! [Re: PositiveDog] #279785
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Keeping all paws crossed she continues to improve! It's about time for you both!


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Re: Jazzy Jazz Jazmine, clostridium perfringens [Re: bianca] #279897
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I am still quietly holding my breath. One big disadvantage of a dog that goes to daycare, is that I don't get to watch her poop that closely, particularly since she doesn't go "enough".

She has been licking her vulva some today, and went out a couple of times last night, but then settled. Not sure what that means. She appears to be tolerating the tylan well, I hope that it's doing the trick. If the bladder inflammation is from too much liquid being pulled into the gut, it may take awhile.

I am spending a lot of time learning about C Perf and its toxins. Not all strains of C Perf can emit toxins, which is why they PCR test the bacteria for the gene that can emit the toxin. After they identify that the strain is capable of doing that, then they test for the toxin. While many strains produce the enterotoxin, the additional toxins that it produces depend on the strain - no clue what strains or other toxins might be present in Jazz.

I haven't found much information about long term treatment for this online or on other forums, so I'll document what I do here. Not sure if I should start a new thread or not.

Someone showed me this, related to long term treatment with tylosin frown
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Although no adverse effects during tylosin treatment have been reported, efforts should be made to reduce the use of tylosin. This is because our recently conducted studies have indicated that tylosin causes wide resistance to antibiotics in the intestine (unpublished results). Certain probiotic lactic acid bacteria (LAB) have been shown to be effective in the prevention and treatment of a variety of diarrheal disorders in humans and in experimental mouse models. Hopefully in the future a probiotic LAB can be used instead of tylosin to treat or prevent chronic diarrhea in dogs with TRD.

http://www.vetmed.helsinki.fi/klel/tylosiini/tylosin.htm



Just found this earlier tonight....
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curcumin exhibited strong and moderate growth inhibition against C. perfringens at 2 and 1 mg/disk, respectively, and weak growth inhibition against E. coli at 1 mg/disk.

http://hero.epa.gov/index.cfm?action=reference.details&reference_id=1146337


If all goes well this week, I will start the curcumin next week, or mid-week if everything is really good. Starting tonight I'm putting back many of the supplements she needs for balance of her diet.


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Re: Jazzy Jazz Jazmine, clostridium perfringens [Re: MaxaLisa] #279903
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I don't really understand a lot of this but I hope she tolerates her supplements. And I also wanted to say how lucky Jazz is to have you hugging


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Paris - Tabby cat (Feb 1996-2013) Run free my beautiful girl.
Re: Jazzy Jazz Jazmine, clostridium perfringens [Re: bianca] #279969
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What Bianca said!
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Re: Jazzy Jazz Jazmine, clostridium perfringens [Re: Barb E] #279972
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Thanks, and thanks !

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Indy, 5/1997-10/2010, RIP my friend, my teacher

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Re: Jazzy Jazz Jazmine, clostridium perfringens [Re: MaxaLisa] #280003
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What Bianca and Barb E said...some of it makes sense...the rest of it the brain just goes nah..

Hope Jazz had a good day today.


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Re: Jazzy Jazz Jazmine, clostridium perfringens [Re: Shepherds] #280008
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It hurts that Jazz may be starring in some case report 'the success of XYZ in treating idiopathic QRS' by Lisa T and Dr. Vet. Jazz should be famous as that little sprite climbing after squirrels.

Anyway, more crossedfingers that your carefully tweaked regimen works for Jazzy.

Mary Jane

Re: Jazzy Jazz Jazmine, clostridium perfringens [Re: Mary Jane] #280045
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It is amazing when you see pictures of her how healthy and active she looks. Hard to believe she has such a problem. But here's hoping the new regimen works for her. I realize that you'll have to tweak it here and there but I know you can do it if anyone can.

Fingers crossed for Jazz............


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Re: Jazzy Jazz Jazmine, clostridium perfringens [Re: Hatterasser] #280187
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She does great when she's on antibiotics frown

She's pretty stable right now. Shaking in the morning and other times is greatly diminished, but not yet entirely gone. All those months I thought it was all anxiety frown at least we're on the right track now.

I ordered some different probiotics that I will add into the rotation. The saccharomyces boulardii I was using contained MOS, which, like d-mannose, inhibits adherence of bad bacteria. Unfortionally, I also think it does the ame for good bacteria. Still using the mercola enzymes, and I have a renew life product he seems to do well on. Those two alone should work for a normal dog!


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Indy, 5/1997-10/2010, RIP my friend, my teacher

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Re: Jazzy Jazz Jazmine, clostridium perfringens [Re: MaxaLisa] #280236
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Had an appt with the holistic vet today and let her know what was going on. We agreed to stay away from the herbals which she seem sensitive to, but we are going to try a couple canine Standard Processes products - the immune support and the GI enteric upport. I am to work on increasing her vegetable portion of the diet to something closer to what I used to feed Indy, and I'm also continuing the Thorne Gaba for her SA. She estimates Jaazz hould be off abx and relatively stable by July, which is close to my estimate, if all goes well. Hope so!


MaxaL (aka LisaT)

Jazmine, mini-mix, 10/18/2011
Max-n-Indy
Max, 5/2001-2/2012, RIP my partner, my Regal Boy
Indy, 5/1997-10/2010, RIP my friend, my teacher

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Re: Jazzy Jazz Jazmine, clostridium perfringens [Re: MaxaLisa] #280260
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Keeping all paws and fingers crossed here for your sweet girl. July seems like such a long way away frown hugging


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Cooper GSD (The Gremlin) 19/10/11
Texas - Tabby cat (Feb 1996-2013) Run free sweet Teppie
Paris - Tabby cat (Feb 1996-2013) Run free my beautiful girl.
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