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I received horrible news this past weekend. I good friend of mine lost her dog when he choked on his ball. I won't go into all the details but throughout the course of this weekend I heard several stories of people who had lost their dogs this way. Of course, one of the first things I did was to get online and order new (larger) balls with ropes for my boys.

Having never faced this myself before I realized that I really don't know what to do if a dog is choking. I know there is a doggy heimlich maneuver - but have no clue how well that works.

So what can a person do if a dog is choking on a ball (or something else)?


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EMoore (from the other board) lost her Cash from a Kong ball that should have been large enough to not be an issue. I try to stick with odd shaped toys, toys with holes in the center, balls on ropes. It's a nightmare. frown

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Kong on a rope is what I hope is my fail-safe for a toy. I strung the ropes myself on each of the three Kongs. A person at the club had a dog get a ball lodged in his throat. He spoke with the vet and his option was to reach down the throat & pull the ball out. Saved the dog who would have died before he could get him to the vet. That was the only option.
Makes me want to check my ropes!

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Re: Choking? [Re: middleofnowhere] #278182
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Originally Posted By: middleofnowhere
....A person at the club had a dog get a ball lodged in his throat. He spoke with the vet and his option was to reach down the throat & pull the ball out. Saved the dog who would have died before he could get him to the vet. That was the only option.
Makes me want to check my ropes!


Unfortunately, my friend tried this and it was unsuccessful for them. The ball also had a rope which the dog had chewed off just seconds before sucking the ball into his mouth and down his throat. The owners were present the whole time and I'm told it all happened extremely fast. They were still trying to save him as one drove to the e-vet and the other worked on him.

One of my dogs has pulled the rope right out of the ball (2x now). I've also watched a person's dog swallow the rope (ball still attached) while the owner snatched the ball from him. Came out all slimmy. sick So to me a rope on the ball isn't a final solution either. I'm sure it helps but I feel like I need to be even more cautious then that. I guess that's why I ordered new, larger balls in hopes that this will be more difficult for my dogs to just suck into their throats. And maybe because of what happened with my friend I'm in a bit of a panic mode right now - who knows.

Thank you for the link Lisa. That's very helpful. I'm going to print that off and hang it on my BB along side of the CPR & Bloat info.






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It's very scary the things that can happen, and my heart just aches for people that go through a loss like this. Loss is hard enough.


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Re: Choking? [Re: MaxaLisa] #278209
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When Zamboni was maybe 3-4 (so about 15 yrs ago), she was happily chewing a rawhide and suddenly looked panicked.

I realized that a big soft flappy piece of rawhide was stuck in her throat. I couldn't possibly stick my hand down into her small throat. I actually lifted her up and did the Heimlich on her like you would do a toddler. She was about toddler weight. I had no idea if that was the appropriate thing to do. I just knew I had to do something, and I have been trained on human (and wilderness) first aid.

It worked.

I subsequently learned that I did it wrong. But I think the most important thing is that my training kept me calm and thinking.

I've since taken a pet first aid class. I highly recommend.

http://www.redcross.org/take-a-class/program-highlights/cpr-first-aid/wilderness-sports-pets

There is something about walking out of a class KNOWING you know how to manage reasonably well in a specialized pet and/or wilderness emergency that makes you able to make good decisions and generalize skills.

In fact, it's probably time I go and update my skills. Field medicine is always being updated as we learn what works better (and sometimes faster). So skills we had in the past may be hopelessly out of date.

Anyhow, I can't recommend enough.

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How awful, that is something those poor people will never forget. Thanks for the choking dog link.


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For males I like the 3" balls on ropes from Elite K9. To be really safe, the 4" or larger JollyBalls or tugs are probably much safer.

Bernhard Flinks showed us what to do if a dog swallowed a ball. You can try the Heimlich maneuver and if that doesn't work often you will have to wait until the dog passes out to be able to reach in and grab the ball. If you still can't get it then he showed us how to essentially do a tracheotomy and then attempt to shove the ball out from below or at least to allow the dog to be able to breath.


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Re: Choking? [Re: lhczth] #278307
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Originally Posted By: 3K9Mom


thumbup Great idea! Thank you.

Originally Posted By: lhczth
For males I like the 3" balls on ropes from Elite K9. To be really safe, the 4" or larger JollyBalls or tugs are probably much safer.


Thank you. I ordered the large Bende balls w/toggle for training. I think they are 2.76" which is slightly larger then a tennis ball (tennis balls are 2.63"). They are also solid rubber which I'm told helps discourages the dog from mouthing and chewing the balls. This is the thing that sold me as I have watched Butch chew, chew, chew sucking the ball farther and farther back into his mouth each time before he drops it for me to throw again. Sundance will do this also but he doesn't flip his head back like Butch does.

I had been using smaller hollow rubber balls for training that I picked up from the local feed mill. They look a lot like the Elite balls except they are orange w/yellow ropes. They are under 2.5". Those are going in the trash or I'll give them to someone with smaller/lower drive dogs.

Dalton always loved his softball. A softball is 3.5" - 3.8". I think for around the house playing fetch I'll pick up some of those for the boys.


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Re: Choking? [Re: Vinnie] #278324
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I bought some really cute balls and ended up giving them to my trainer(for smaller breeds) because they were too much of a choking hazard to the GSD.
I've always been careful not to give balls with only one hole too.
Cuz balls are about the only toy my dogs get unsupervised, and I just found out they are now manufacturing them in China....so I'm boycotting the JW company!


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Originally Posted By: Jane Jean

I've always been careful not to give balls with only one hole too.
Cuz balls are about the only toy my dogs get unsupervised, and I just found out they are now manufacturing them in China....so I'm boycotting the JW company!


Really? frown JW use to be one of my favorites for tough dog toys and I was just going to check them out for some new balls/toys. I still have 3 Giggler balls (giggler missing of course) from them that have survived years and a few big dogs. None of the dogs were/are left unattended with toys so maybe that's why these have lasted so long.

Here's Butch with one of the old JW Giggler balls. As you can see there is a hole in the bottom of the Giggler ball. So I have to ask, can that cause a problem?

PICT0004 by BlackDogsPhoto, on Flickr



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Remember a couple yrs ago when the dog got his tongue suctioned into a ball(I think it was a GR). Ever since that story, I've tried to stay away from balls with one hole like that, but again, it depends on the dog.
Here is a post from JW's facebook page, so dissapointing and I encourage everyone to comment either on their website or facebook page. https://www.facebook.com/jwPetCo

JW toys are made in both the US and in China. All JW products are extensivley saftety tested, please see the back of the product tag for more detailed information!

From their website: From their website; http://jwpet.com/
At JW Pet we are the passionate thinkers of the pet industry. We pride ourselves on our innovations and our ingenious thinking. And all of that thinking is designed to improve the lives of pets and pet parents. When we started JW Pet in 1998 we dedicated ourselves to find new ways and new ideas to help pets.

At JW Pet, our products and ideas are 100% home-grown. We do our own inventing, designing and creating within the four walls of our facility in Arlington, TX. We wouldn’t think of out-sourcing ideas, adding someone else’s or combining our ideas with someone else’s. We pride ourselves on being self-sustaining, self-grown and self-guided. Today we hold over 125 patents for the pet-focused ideas we have brought to life.

At JW Pet we don’t just think about pet products, we live with pets in our offices every day. Visitors shouldn’t be, but are surprised to find the halls of our offices lined with fish tanks, as well as a pet pavilion stocked with birds, fish and hamsters.

We donate regularly to various local animal shelters as well as support a number of national animal assistance programs. We donate product to adoption events across the country and we also contribute yearly to the IAADP, International Association of Assistance Dog Partners.


Looks like they sold out frown


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Jazz really liked these, for awhile (she seems to be in a different phase now):
http://www.westpawdesign.com/catalog/dogs/dog-toys/eco-friendly-dog-toys


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Originally Posted By: Jane Jean
Remember a couple yrs ago when the dog got his tongue suctioned into a ball(I think it was a GR). Ever since that story, I've tried to stay away from balls with one hole like that, but again, it depends on the dog.


Quynne can't have balls now as the physio said that even just the pouncing will effect her ED but before this I just drilled another hole or two in any ball with holes in them to stop that suction effect as they were her favourites!


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Originally Posted By: Qyn
Quynne can't have balls now as the physio said that even just the pouncing will effect her ED but before this I just drilled another hole or two in any ball with holes in them to stop that suction effect as they were her favourites!

That's a really clever solution thumbup

Poor Quynne, but I certainly can see how that movement could be aggravating.


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Originally Posted By: MaxaLisa
Jazz really liked these, for awhile (she seems to be in a different phase now):
http://www.westpawdesign.com/catalog/dogs/dog-toys/eco-friendly-dog-toys

WestPaws is the only company that is US based manufactured. I've been looking at labels and very limited in what I'll purchase now...even Kongs are made in China. Though anything made in the US is double the price it seems.


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Thanks Jane, I didn't know that.

I had looked at the JW products, but they had a really bad smell to them, at least the ones I was looking at Petco. The Westpaw ones don't, but you're definitely right about the price. I think I bought Jazz's online, from the company, when they were having a sale.


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Well Heimlich and CPR were not enough to save KC and she choked on something WAY smaller than even a small ball. Still breaks my heart.


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