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Re: Cooper - Hip Dysplasia [Re: Braverhund] #249181
08/24/12 11:31 AM
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Thank you so much Leah and Don and Bonnie and Patti hugging hugging

My boy has had his dinner and is sleeping now wub

I am just in total shock, I was thinking perhaps he may have something wrong with an elbow or shoulder...not this.

Leah and Don, I think that is sage advice, I do tend to think the worst! So I have been googling (of course) and now kind of understand what FHO, TPO, and THR is.

I will have to wait and see what the specialist thinks. Come-on next week already!

But yes, if they recommend surgery as the very best option, then that is what we will do. It just makes it even harder as I will have to get my parents to stay and look after Brad and the animals if I have to take him down south.

I have a sick sense of humor so when I told Brad, I was balling and snotting (like Coopie) and reminded him that he calls my Molly a lemon laugh Oh well, Coop fits in well here.


Molly Moo (aka The Piranha, 4 legged mouth) GSD (31/10/09)
Cooper GSD (The Gremlin) 19/10/11
Texas - Tabby cat (Feb 1996-2013) Run free sweet Teppie
Paris - Tabby cat (Feb 1996-2013) Run free my beautiful girl.
Re: Cooper - Hip Dysplasia [Re: bianca] #249189
08/24/12 11:55 AM
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I have just been gasping at the screen reading about your beautiful Coop. I'm so sad for you but I am sure to my bones that Cooper will get whatever he needs to be fine. There are such awful periods between hearing and then deciding and then seeing the result.

Coop is so gorgeous and so funny and he and Molly pulse pure charm through cyberspace. You will all find a way through this.

I'm just so sorry,

Mary Jane

Re: Cooper - Hip Dysplasia [Re: Good_Karma] #249194
08/24/12 12:15 PM
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Originally Posted By: Good_Karma
Oh holy heck, those are bad hips. teary


Yes they are. Worse than Kayos's and she has really bad hips! I pretty much followed a similar path that Ruth took. We knew Kayos had HD at about 14 months, managed weight and did supplements and she had a THR on the right hip when she was 4.5. We have not and will not do the left hip. We just did HA injections into the left hip and finished that series of 3 injections last Friday. It has definitely helped. We went this route because she is sensitve to NSAIDs.

Her THR was $5000 US dollars in 2008. Kayos is now 9 years and 8 months and doing very well.

I am so sorry....... I understand the sick feeling in your gut. I sat in the car and cried when we saw Kayos's rads. They were awful. You were so hopeful of a great healthy pup and Cooper has been anything but. On the positive side, Kayos's temperament is fabulous, she is the best dog in the world to me. She is a real trooper despite the hips. Cooper seems very tolerant, very amenable and another dog with wonderful outlook on life. This will be okay eventually but it is going to be expensive for all of his life. hugging


Kathy

PTE,AC,URO3,AG2,UCD Xtra!Xtra! v. TeMar CDX,GN,RE,CGC,TC,HIC, Bh "Havoc" 6/4/07
PAM, URO3, UCD, UACH Tidmores Rising Star Lydia "Mayhem" CD,BN,RE,AX,AJP,OFP,P1J,CA,DJ,HT,TKN,TC,CGCU 4/4/12

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Re: Cooper - Hip Dysplasia [Re: Mary Jane] #249195
08/24/12 12:21 PM
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So sorry about Coop. Siena was diagnosed at about three and had surgery on one hip (THR) at 3.5. She never limped til then and we learned the ball joint had broken clean thru and healed (incorrectly). Given the young age, the specialist recommended a Zion hip which is better for a) young dogs (cement less and held in place with screws) and b) great for GSD because of the bone structure. We need both done but so far only done one. About $6k USD.

We have managed the other with low impact exercise (walk, swim, with little jumping and use ramps to get in/out of the car). She also does regular chiropractic and occasional acu, along with supplements above.

Like your dog, has a full spectrum of GSD health issues, with digestive issues being the main culprit of joint issues. I did write extensively on our experience on this board (back in march 2009? Just as this board was started. Overall we were pleased with the outcome, even though it was tough (emotionally, physically and financially).

Does your breeder guarantee hips? Maybe that can help?

So sorry, again. Here to support if we can. Oh, do you have access to Care Credit? We were able to finance for one year interest free. $500 a month is much easier than $6k in one punch.


Diana - owned by Siena Rose (Oct 29, 2006 - Mar 30, 2018)
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Re: Cooper - Hip Dysplasia [Re: DianaB] #249196
08/24/12 12:37 PM
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I am so sorry hugging

I have no advice, but reading through this thread there is a lot of very very good inforamtion in here.

hugging

Re: Cooper - Hip Dysplasia [Re: bianca] #249200
08/24/12 12:51 PM
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I am so sorry Bianca - what a blow from left field!!

hugging and hugging


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Re: Cooper - Hip Dysplasia [Re: Barb E] #249205
08/24/12 01:22 PM
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Bianca, I am so sorry to hear this about Cooper.

FHO - they cut off the femoral head and let scar tissue form to make an artifical hip. JeanB has some experience with this surgery and one of FurKids dogs had it done to both of his hips in the past year or so (one at a time).

TPO - triple pelvic osteotomy - They cut the bone and rotate the hip into place then secure with plates at a minimum while it heals. Here's some information.

My old GSDx Max had this done to both of his hips when he was a puppy. And Cooper is about the same as Max was when he had his first hip done, so this may very well be an option and is probably cheaper than a total hip replacement. At least it was for me, but it was well over 20 years ago when Max had it done. For him, it was a very successful surgery. He was an on the go dog pretty much the rest of his life, lived until he was almost 15 years old and died of something unrelated. If it were me and the specialist said it was a viable option, then it's what I would do.

Max at about 14 years old:


Johanna

Caleb (aka Caleb-Moose)
Ciara(aka Ciara Belle, Black Devil)

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Re: Cooper - Hip Dysplasia [Re: Barb E] #249211
08/24/12 01:41 PM
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Those aren't even hips. frown Wow, that one...looks like a swimmer puppy I met. I am not saying that is what he was - just to say that she is doing really well after FHOs and is a happy little girl. Of course, she too had multiple ear things - she is the GSD with the "crimped" ears in the banner on the forum. That is just incredible.

BUT - it could be worse, he could have something that is not fixable or something that would shorten his life, which the hips should not.

I am shocked so can only imagine how you must feel.

That Previcox is a NSAID, right? He had bloodwork before starting? And the vet talked about all the NSAID warnings? I am betting he's been on a NSAID before. If it's more for pain than for inflammation, there may be some other drugs that have less side effects that would help until whatever supplements you choose kick in.

Does he seem painful?

I have read not to use Ester C for puppies/growing dogs (so for a while) because of the added calcium. At this point I would do whatever not to make things worse.

This is some good info: http://www.caberfeidh.com/HHC.htm at the bottom.

Swimming and exercise will be good for him once you talk to the surgeon/doctor.

I am a huge fan of the FHO - neither my dogs or I have the temperament for the restrictions necessary after a THR. Surgeons of course (most) favor the THR because it's best in their criteria. It is also much more costly. Ilsa has had 1 FHO and dogs in the rescue have had them as well and all have done well. There are a few big threads about FHOs - I think the leaner the dog is, the better they do with any of these surgeries. Rosa looks amazing as well with her very cool (I liked the pictures of it) THR.

I would never know any dog I have seen that has had any of these surgeries successfully had a problem to begin with - so there is much, much, much hope for Mr. Cooper's hips! hugging

Alter - some of the things you might see with the hips are bunny hopping when they run, favoring one side, pain on impact in play that is above their normal reaction (either impact of their own movement or another dog slamming into them), biting the hip because it might hurt, and just a general hitch in their giddyup that doesn't look like other dogs. I have started doing hip x-rays on my own dogs when they are getting spayed/neutered (last 2 dogs) and am 2/2 with one mild hip on both prior to surgery.

Other dogs don't show a thing until it really gets bad - my Ilsa was like that. My Ava also has mild and she became overweight and started limping. Got lean and no limps! One thing I wished I had done with everyone that is on the bigger side, or German Shepherdy is to have their backs x-rayed at the same time.

ETA Woodreb - adorable dog!

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Re: Cooper - Hip Dysplasia [Re: Woodreb] #249212
08/24/12 01:44 PM
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Oh no, I am so sorry to read this! I mean really, you deserve a break, not a life long continuation! I am so bummed for you all! Is there anything your breeder can/will do in this situation? This just stinks BIG time. . .


Natalie

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Re: Cooper - Hip Dysplasia [Re: Natalie559] #249220
08/24/12 02:14 PM
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Shit Bianca, I can't believe this bad luck, I am so sorry. hugging There are a number of surgeons around and I'll get you some names if you like so don't hesitate to get quotes from more than one, prices can vary greatly. You could consider human grade supplements rather than vet products but that is up to you. I hope there is something I can do to help with this.

Not fair, not fair at all! grouphug


Alison
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Nix (derivative of Phoenix) Black GSD born 6 June 2011 (Gotcha day 9 Dec 2013)

Quynne gsdhalo - Black Female GSD - Sept 29, 2004 - 11 Nov 2013 Deeply missed

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Re: Cooper - Hip Dysplasia [Re: bianca] #249224
08/24/12 02:53 PM
08/24/12 02:53 PM
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i am sorry to read this. both for you and cooper ;(


Have a great day!!!
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Re: Cooper - Hip Dysplasia [Re: Schnickle Fritz] #249231
08/24/12 04:02 PM
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Bianca, I am so sorry to hear this! It seems so unfair! I cringed when I saw those X-rays. frown

I have no experience with hip issues, but I see many dogs on the forum that have had hip replacement surgery and are doing just fine, so that gives me hope for Cooper.


Lucia

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Re: Cooper - Hip Dysplasia [Re: Castlemaid] #249235
08/24/12 04:22 PM
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Yikes, those hips do look bad, especially the one that's not even in the socket. frown

Do look into the different options for surgeries and consider just doing one hip for now and using supplements and Adequan or HA injections to help him. There wasn't anyone near me who looked good so I drove 8 hours each way for Massie's surgery and it was totally worth it.


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Re: Cooper - Hip Dysplasia [Re: BowWowMeow] #249236
08/24/12 04:27 PM
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hugging

I'm so sorry to hear this, Bianca.

Sending healing energy your way and wish that whatever path you choose for Cooper's treatment will provide some relief.

hugging


Laura Holder, CPDT-KA

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Re: Cooper - Hip Dysplasia [Re: LauraHolder] #249250
08/24/12 05:24 PM
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We drove 4 hours one for Kayos's surgery at a vet teaching hospital. I think it is pretty difficult to find a close ortho vet whether your down under or in the states.

Do the worst hip first and wait and see. The ortho vet that did Kay's said 70 to 80% of dogs that have one THR do not need the other one done. Of course we probably fell into the 20 to 30% thta did need the other one done but decided on alternative things instead.

I think when you have a chance to meet with the specialist you will have better options and more info. In the meantime get as educated as you can.


Kathy

PTE,AC,URO3,AG2,UCD Xtra!Xtra! v. TeMar CDX,GN,RE,CGC,TC,HIC, Bh "Havoc" 6/4/07
PAM, URO3, UCD, UACH Tidmores Rising Star Lydia "Mayhem" CD,BN,RE,AX,AJP,OFP,P1J,CA,DJ,HT,TKN,TC,CGCU 4/4/12

Lucky, Wolf, Max, Kayos - gone not forgotten. gsdhalo
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