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Cooper - Hip Dysplasia #249158
08/24/12 05:29 AM
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teary teary teary teary The vet just called me, he will email the pics through soon so I will post but he said Coopers hips are among the "top 5 worst he has ever seen". His right hip is not even sitting in the joint and his left is not much better.

I am sitting here in tears. What a bloody mess, he has only just turned 10 months old. His weight is fine and the vet said that is not an issue. He is going to email the Specialist Vet Center in Melbourne as they will be the ones who will probably do a Total Hip Replacement (probably both hips). But he said he will call me next week when he has heard from them

I can pick him up in an hour and he will have anti-inflammatory and antibiotics (his elbow).


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Re: Cooper - Hip Dysplasia [Re: bianca] #249159
08/24/12 05:32 AM
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Oh the specialist is a 5/6 hour drive frown and he said last price he had heard was around $6000 per hip. I am totally devasted


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Cooper GSD (The Gremlin) 19/10/11
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Re: Cooper - Hip Dysplasia [Re: bianca] #249161
08/24/12 05:40 AM
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I am so so very very sorry bianca hugging hugging hugging

I remember when the vet showed me Indy's xray, she was not much older than Coop, and it made me so sick to my stomach that I felt faint and had to sit down to steady myself, and wipe away the tears. I know what a terrible feeling this is, and hers were not as bad as it sounds like Cooper's are hugging

I would get him on some joint supplements asap. I saw a difference with Indy within three days. She had a TPO operation (Cooper won't be eligible, I'm pretty sure, is there arthritis showing yet?), I don't know if they will do a total hip in such a young dog while they are still growing? Remember, that an FHO might be an option. Some things to think about and start getting questions ready.

Sure feels like someone just kicked you in the gut, doesn't it? I sure wish we could make things easier for you guys.


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Re: Cooper - Hip Dysplasia [Re: bianca] #249163
08/24/12 05:45 AM
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OMG, this is just unbelievable. I'm so sorry! hugging

My Massie also had the worst hips ever at about the same age. I did a salvage surgery on one hip at just under a year and then did conservative management with supplements for 4 years. Then I got her a total hip replacement on one side only when she was 5. That was it: I never replaced the other hip. I did keep her super fit all of her life and she was very active and happy and died of something completely unrelated. And she was like Cooper: she had every health problem known to gsds!

If I were to do it again today (or with what's available today) then I would seriously consider doing a FHO instead of a total hip. The specialist will be able to give you more info about that.

In the meantime you could start joint supplements and maybe Adequan injections?

Again, sorry for all of this...


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Re: Cooper - Hip Dysplasia [Re: BowWowMeow] #249164
08/24/12 05:56 AM
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Thank you Lisa and Ruth hugging I can barely see through the tears at the moment. I feel like vomiting.

I don't even know what an FHO etc are. I think Iwill spend the night googlinf.

I will post when I know what anti-inflam is is on but it=f I list what he is on currently can you please help with joint support?

He gets Fish oil 1500mg
Vit E 500
Glucosamine 1000
Citrus Bioflavionoids = Ascorbic acid 100mg and citrus bilflavionoids 1400mg
Rose Hip Vital 500mg
True CMO 760mg

what else should I do pleasein the meantime?

The vet said he will discuss with me the options next week after the specialists have looked at the xrays.


Molly Moo (aka The Piranha, 4 legged mouth) GSD (31/10/09)
Cooper GSD (The Gremlin) 19/10/11
Texas - Tabby cat (Feb 1996-2013) Run free sweet Teppie
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Re: Cooper - Hip Dysplasia [Re: bianca] #249165
08/24/12 06:15 AM
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How much of the True CMO is left, a little or a lot?

The bioflavanoids were to help with the possible allergic reaction in the elbow (eosinophils were found in the fluid, if I recall). With the joint issues, you probably want to increase the vitamin C if he tolerates it. It will also help with the allergies, so you can either stop, or add to the bioflavanoids if you increase the C. Some dogs don't tolerate a lot of vitamin C, mine never do, but Ester C is often used. I don't know about growing dogs, calcium, and Ester C, I have always used sodium ascorbate. Did I just make all of that too complicated?

You want a joint product that contains more than glucosamine. I prefer a product that mimics the ingredients of Cosequin, though the glycoflex products are nice. Ruth recently started a joint supplement thread - might be helpful here: http://germanshepherdhome.net/forum/ubbt...port#Post248411

I know that you order some things from here, the U.S., but are there things there that you can get that would be cheaper?


Last edited by MaxaLisa; 08/24/12 06:26 AM. Reason: added link

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Re: Cooper - Hip Dysplasia [Re: MaxaLisa] #249167
08/24/12 07:20 AM
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Thank you Lisa, I will have to re-read that a bit later when I can concentrate hugging

I think I have read before that pups should not be on Ester C?

From what I can work out most things here are double the price. So I think whatever is recommended I will order from over there.

I jut picked him up and looked at the x-ray. The right hip is not anywhere near the socket. The left leg wouldnot straighten and he thought if he pushed harder, the left hip may pop out of the socket. (The vet wasn't there, so this was via the nurse).

I have just got home and no email so called and she will ask him to resend in the morning.

This is copied from the notes he wrote:

Problem 2 :Also owner has noticed reluctant to come into house. Has noticed dog 'bunny hopping' when running. Advise xrays.

Pain on flexion of elbow. Admit for xrays. Muscle atrophy over gluteals.

Xray show no obvious bone problem with elbow or shoulder.

Xrays of hips shows extreme hip dysplasia. Right hip not sitting in acetabulum. Left hip severe changes.

So he has Previcox 227mg for 60 days. ($201 for the tablets).


Molly Moo (aka The Piranha, 4 legged mouth) GSD (31/10/09)
Cooper GSD (The Gremlin) 19/10/11
Texas - Tabby cat (Feb 1996-2013) Run free sweet Teppie
Paris - Tabby cat (Feb 1996-2013) Run free my beautiful girl.
Re: Cooper - Hip Dysplasia [Re: bianca] #249168
08/24/12 07:22 AM
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Oh sorry, only a little left of the CMO.


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Cooper GSD (The Gremlin) 19/10/11
Texas - Tabby cat (Feb 1996-2013) Run free sweet Teppie
Paris - Tabby cat (Feb 1996-2013) Run free my beautiful girl.
Re: Cooper - Hip Dysplasia [Re: bianca] #249169
08/24/12 09:26 AM
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Im sorry to hear, that sucks for you and your Pup. I was wondering how do you know when to have them checked for hip problems? Is it obvious? Im just not sure what to watch for. Probably a stupid question but this scared me a little.


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Re: Cooper - Hip Dysplasia [Re: Alter-Ego] #249170
08/24/12 10:27 AM
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I'm sorry I am probably not the best person to ask. I should have insisted on xrays earlier as I had asked m previous vet in April (when Coop was 6 months)and now I feel guilty. I'm noticing how loose in the rear he is - he was eating his dinner just before and I'm sure I'm not imagining it.

Photo of the xray - note the left leg which he could not straighten out.



Molly Moo (aka The Piranha, 4 legged mouth) GSD (31/10/09)
Cooper GSD (The Gremlin) 19/10/11
Texas - Tabby cat (Feb 1996-2013) Run free sweet Teppie
Paris - Tabby cat (Feb 1996-2013) Run free my beautiful girl.
Re: Cooper - Hip Dysplasia [Re: Alter-Ego] #249174
08/24/12 10:39 AM
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Bianca, Don and I are so sad to hear this news. Rosa was right around that age when we found out too.

For now, don't try to think too far ahead until the specialist can see the x-rays. She/He is the one who can really lay out the options for you.

Do you think you will do a surgery? I can't believe how expensive they quoted the THR at. That is about double I think, I'd have to look up what we spent on Rosa. frown

Alter-Ego, to answer your question, we took Rosa in to have her hips checked by x-ray because we saw her having symptoms of pain and limited range of motion in her hips. She was not quite a year old and had been having problems for a couple months. With Niko, we waited until he was a year old and was getting his neuter, and while he was under anesthesia from that, we had then x-ray his hips too (they were fine). If you have a dog with no symptoms, I would wait until she is two years old and fully grown.

Bianca, just... hugging I know you are upset, I feel so bad for you and Brad. hugging


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Oh holy heck, those are bad hips. teary


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Bianca, hugging I am so sad to hear this. You and Cooper have gone through so much and this added punch is so unfair.

I cannot even think what to say for comfort. Just that I am thinking of you.

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Re: Cooper - Hip Dysplasia [Re: PositiveDog] #249177
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Don wanted me to tell you that they'd never do both hips at the same time, if they even did both hips (a big if, Rosa will only have her one done unless something happens in the future) they would be spaced out over a year I would think.

Also he wanted me to tell you that it was the best $4000 we ever spent. hugging


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Re: Cooper - Hip Dysplasia [Re: Good_Karma] #249178
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Oh, Bianca! hugging hugging hugging hugging hugging I'm so very, very sorry to read this! Those are indeed frightening hip pics. Perhaps the specialist can offer options that might not seem insurmountable. This news is beyond horrible, and after you've been through so much with Cooper. My hope is that perhaps if one hip gets surgery, that the other can be managed with excersise and supplements, and especially supplements geared to shore up a joint as much as possible and reduce inflammation. I, too, know people with very dysplastic dogs who have gone the sonservative route with them, and the dogs lived fully, happy, busy lives. It's about both function and pain level, and ultimately, some dogs may need both hips done, but others thrive on supplemental support and gentle, regular excersise.

So many here have been down the same road, that there will surely be good guidance and support here. I am sending you good thoughts today, and wishing you some measure of comfort and strength. hugging


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