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Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( [Re: bianca] #265406
12/25/12 07:29 PM
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Originally Posted By: bianca

Lisa, would I need a specific B12 or would a multi B work? Yes she is on fish oil.

I would give a GSD 1,000 mcg of the methyl form of B12. I would feel confident with more under certain circumstances, but that dose is pretty standard. I give Jazz 250 mcg.

One of the dvds I got, and have yet to watch, is Karen Overall's "from leashes to Neurons and psychopharmacology". I'm on my 3rd anxiety dvd. Trying to put a program together for jazz, and they all mention the same thing that Sarah posted about above. Combinations under certain circumstances, and not using the quick acting ones for long term, and the longer acting ones taking about 6 weeks to reach max effectiveness, and ometimes one doesn't work as well as another.


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Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( [Re: MaxaLisa] #265408
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I forgot to add that I also give Jazz a low doe b complex, probably the equivalent of a b-25-ish. She has neevous ystem and muscle issues, so I'm ure that her need for those are higher.


MaxaL (aka LisaT)

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Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( [Re: PositiveDog] #265465
12/26/12 04:05 AM
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Sarah, oh my dog I had no idea that is could happen frown That is so sad teary

Thank you so much for the link hugging I should have said that her daily medicine is Prozac but she does get Xanax at the time of storms. I have it for me so always have it here. But I had no idea that I should give it approx 2 hours before etc. I have never tried that, just give it to her when it starts hammer She usually gets 3mg. But from now on I will check the radar loop and try and get it into her early. I really like the idea of always doing the same thing (action plan). I think from now, I will take her into the spare room where there is a couch as she likes to sit next to me so I can gently squeeze her.

Thank you Bonnie hugging


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Cooper GSD (The Gremlin) 19/10/11
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Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( [Re: bianca] #265466
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Thank you so much Lisa, so that is the injectable form from what I read? I will have a hunt on some sites to see if I can buy it here otherwise she will need to go to the vets (The cats get a B12 injec every few months from the vet).

I have some B multis here (for me) but they absolutely stink so am not sure she will eat one even if covered in stinky sardines!


Molly Moo (aka The Piranha, 4 legged mouth) GSD (31/10/09)
Cooper GSD (The Gremlin) 19/10/11
Texas - Tabby cat (Feb 1996-2013) Run free sweet Teppie
Paris - Tabby cat (Feb 1996-2013) Run free my beautiful girl.
Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( [Re: bianca] #265467
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Sorry to have to ask Lisa, but would you mind having a quick look at these please? I think I would prefer to not do injections if I can blush

http://www.vetnpetdirect.com.au/troy_b_phos?sc=9&category=120

http://www.vetnpetdirect.com.au/COPHOSBP?sc=9&category=118

Or would I have to go with this?

http://www.vetnpetdirect.com.au/TROYB12?sc=9&category=124

Thank you so much smile


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Cooper GSD (The Gremlin) 19/10/11
Texas - Tabby cat (Feb 1996-2013) Run free sweet Teppie
Paris - Tabby cat (Feb 1996-2013) Run free my beautiful girl.
Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( [Re: bianca] #265472
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LOL, sometimes stinky is better for them!!

I don't know why those products have phosphorous in them, but definitely don't want to throw off the phos/calc balance. Also, we want the methylcobalamin form of B12, which is more biologically active.

I was thinking of something more like this:
http://www.evidencia-australia.com/p/111...wable-Tabs.html
Does Molly chew? Some dogs don't, so you have to look for a liquid form. I have been lucky that mine will chew these, and they seem to work.

I empty half of the contents of one of these in Jazz's meal:
http://www.vitacost.com/vitacost-vitamin-b-12-methylcobalamin-500-mcg-300-capsules
I had never used the capsules before, wasn't sure they would work, but it seems to. I've always used products like this for myself and the dogs: http://www.iherb.com/Now-Foods-Methyl-B-12-1000-mcg-100-Lozenges/449 but so many of them now contain xylitol (toxic to dogs!), that it's tricky finding dog safe products.

I don't know if these prices are good or terrible for Australia:
http://www.evidencia-australia.com/s/Keyword/MethylCobalamin/SearchType/2/SortItem/1 but they are crazy! I looked online and there is not a big difference between the US and the AUS dollars, wow

I will say, I saw a difference within a few days....how long would it take for travel time if I send you some of what I have here, and save you from buying a bottle if it doesn't help?


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Max, 5/2001-2/2012, RIP my partner, my Regal Boy
Indy, 5/1997-10/2010, RIP my friend, my teacher

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Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( [Re: MaxaLisa] #265479
12/26/12 06:42 AM
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Thank you so much Lisa, I appreciate your help smile And thank you so much for your lovely offer but it's ok I will have a look in town tomorrow (one chemist has 50% off vitamins). If they don't have the right one, I will just order the first link you suggested.

Yep prices are like that here that's why my animals are worth a stinken fortune laugh The Cholodin I ordered to try was the 500 tablet bottle and I found a home for it with a lady(from an Aussie forum)who has an elderly Westie and she reports that it has made a HUGE difference for him wub


Molly Moo (aka The Piranha, 4 legged mouth) GSD (31/10/09)
Cooper GSD (The Gremlin) 19/10/11
Texas - Tabby cat (Feb 1996-2013) Run free sweet Teppie
Paris - Tabby cat (Feb 1996-2013) Run free my beautiful girl.
Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( [Re: bianca] #265482
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Well Molly must have bitten the B tablet and decided it was yucky so left half...the piglet finished it though!


Molly Moo (aka The Piranha, 4 legged mouth) GSD (31/10/09)
Cooper GSD (The Gremlin) 19/10/11
Texas - Tabby cat (Feb 1996-2013) Run free sweet Teppie
Paris - Tabby cat (Feb 1996-2013) Run free my beautiful girl.
Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( [Re: bianca] #265496
12/26/12 03:17 PM
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Quote:
The Cholodin I ordered to try was the 500 tablet bottle and I found a home for it with a lady(from an Aussie forum)who has an elderly Westie and she reports that it has made a HUGE difference for him


Biance, I was so disappointed the cholodin did not help Molly Moo. So much so it made me feel guilty to even read about her problems. teary

But I am happy to see it did help another dog, just as it did Skye.

I hope something is found to help Molly (and you) soon.

@ Lisa - could the sublingual B vitimins be used? The taste is not bad and would just have to squirt a dropperful into her mouth each day. Or better yet, the tiny dots you can get. They absorb quickly to get more directly into the bloodstream. I have wondered if they would benefit dogs in general - I have been using them for many years.

(lots of brands - I just found this example)

http://www.nextag.com/sublingual-dots-b12/stores-html


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Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( [Re: PositiveDog] #265536
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Yes Bonnie, those absolutely can be used! They also have some liquid versions. Just have to be careful about the sweetener they use.

LOL, I guess getting them to take it is the other thing!

I'm really glad that the cholodin found a good home too thumbup


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Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( [Re: MaxaLisa] #265586
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Oh Bonnie, no, no, no. Please do not feel guilty hugging I am so grateful to you for suggesting it. I have no problem trying anything to help my pets out and without you, Mr Mac (the Westie) would not be doing so well! I think he is 14 and his owner cannot believe the change smile (and it was my good deed by giving it to her blush )

And now I am aware of it, I will try it again when the dogs are a bit older so again, thank you hugging

Thank you both for the ideas for the B12! I did find some today in town ($9 bargain!) so I will start her on it with breakfast smile

Thank you again for the suggestions/ideas to help smile


Molly Moo (aka The Piranha, 4 legged mouth) GSD (31/10/09)
Cooper GSD (The Gremlin) 19/10/11
Texas - Tabby cat (Feb 1996-2013) Run free sweet Teppie
Paris - Tabby cat (Feb 1996-2013) Run free my beautiful girl.
Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( [Re: bianca] #265620
12/27/12 05:31 PM
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Originally Posted By: bianca

Thank you both for the ideas for the B12! I did find some today in town ($9 bargain!) so I will start her on it with breakfast smile

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I would hope to see some kind of difference within a week maybe.


MaxaL (aka LisaT)

Jazmine, mini-mix, 10/18/2011
Max-n-Indy
Max, 5/2001-2/2012, RIP my partner, my Regal Boy
Indy, 5/1997-10/2010, RIP my friend, my teacher

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Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( [Re: MaxaLisa] #267530
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Well Miss Molly has been on the B vitamin for just over 2 weeks and she has been totally fine...dare I say even normal laugh

Today she was freaking out again frown No storms occurred/forecast and she was flipping out. Mum and Dad came by for Dad to make a ramp for Coop and while he was in the bathroom, she was squealing and just acting really strange teary

I just wish I knew how to help her.


Molly Moo (aka The Piranha, 4 legged mouth) GSD (31/10/09)
Cooper GSD (The Gremlin) 19/10/11
Texas - Tabby cat (Feb 1996-2013) Run free sweet Teppie
Paris - Tabby cat (Feb 1996-2013) Run free my beautiful girl.
Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( [Re: bianca] #267544
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Molly is such a wonderful dog, I'm so sorry this has been such a challenge. Anyway, two weeks of calm may be a precedent.

MJ

Re: Miss Moo is off her rocker :( [Re: Mary Jane] #267548
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First, I am happy to hear the B12 seems to be helping. Two weeks of normal is really good.

Quote:
No storms occurred/forecast and she was flipping out


Is there any chance the fires could be what set her off this time?

Did she recover quickly? If so, it could still be the Bs will do the job for her.

Miss Moo - hugging


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