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Re: Mast Cell Tumors [Re: MaxaLisa] #40236
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It doesn't seem to be shrinking the growths but who knows what it's doing internally so we'll keep her on it.

Re: Mast Cell Tumors [Re: LifeAsMe] #40419
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On another board, someone used a warm soak of green tea with some success?

If it's a more systemic mast cell disease, just arresting it might be a huge accomplishment???


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Re: Mast Cell Tumors [Re: MaxaLisa] #41313
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It went very well at the Vet. He said the benadryl and tagamet is the right treatment. He agreed that at 10 1/2 years it's better for her if we try to slow it down rather than be aggressive with surgery and chemo. He did NOT do a fine needle aspirate. He said by doing that there is a high risk of 'seeding' the mast cell (if that is what it is) and the only purpose would be my peace of mind with no benefit to her. In fact, if they are mast cells, it is more detrimental to do the FNA than to do the surgery and biopsy.

He said that injecting steroids around the growth is used with large animals. He's never done it with a dog and that there is a fine line on where to do the injection as to not disturb the mast cells.

I think the one growth on her chest is shrinking. It's so hard to tell when you look at it all the time. It doesn't look so much like a hanging growth but more of a funny looking bump.

Bottom line is we still do not know if it is mast cell but we're going to treat it as such. So the course is to continue the benadryl/tagamet, change her diet. If the spots get worse or start looking angry then we'll move on to prednisone but he did NOT want to start that now because it will suppress her immune system. Also to keep close eye on her stool to make sure she isn't getting diarrhea since that can be a sign of the mast cells affecting her GI tract.

Whew~!!! To have a vet work with you and give honest answers without doing a bunch of unnecessary junk!! I"m loving it!!

Re: Mast Cell Tumors [Re: LifeAsMe] #41688
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My old vet didn't believe in aspirating either. In your situation, I can see it either way. It's nice to know if it's not, but if there's a good chance it's mast cell disease, and surgery isn't an option, and you're going to treat as you are, then I can see the argument. I have them FNA Indy's suspicious lumps - I have one done on my thyroid every so many years.

That would be cool if the one bump was decreasing. With Indy, after surgery, I switched her from benadryl to bioflavanoids, but I am not sure I would do that with active mast cell disease.

Tagamet, and other acid relievers, might upset the flora of the stomach. Probiotics might not be a bad idea?

I'm glad that she seems to be doing well!


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Re: Mast Cell Tumors [Re: MaxaLisa] #41779
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I'm switching her to RAW and she'll be getting tripe as soon as I can find some I"m satisfied with. I want grass fed or else it seems to defeat the purpose (IMO). So, would she still need the pro-biotics?

He did say to watch her stool for diarrhea as that could be a sign of the mast cell irritating her GI tract. I have slippery elm here to start using if that is happening to at least coat it.

He said to continue the 25mg benadryl twice a day and increase it as needed. We don't want to start out with 75mg every 8 hours because you will become immune to it so we want to increase it slowly.

He seemed optimistic that she could die of old age rather then the mast cell. He didn't have the attitude of "If you don't do this then..." He seemed to think our logic was sound and that was good to hear from a medical professional.

Re: Mast Cell Tumors [Re: LifeAsMe] #42021
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I think the logic is sound, and it's great that the vet is on board with it. I agree that it sounds like this can be managed for a long time - I just don't know of any specific cases. On the canine cancer yahoo group, most of the cases seemed to combine with surgery or chemotherapy, so you are in groundbreaking territory thumbup

I don't have experience with tripe. My basis of recommending the probiotics was based on this problem: http://fightcolorectalcancer.org/researc...icile_infection

I had my mom on a very low dose of zantac (75 mg per day) to treat a condition she had in her stomach and esophagus. She mentioned to her nurse practitioner that it was helping, so the NP upped her meds to 300 mg twice a day (I never followed up on that, aaargh, I didn' know!). Well, sure enough, her next operation, the antibiotics induced a C-diff infection (which I firmly believe the zantac played a role too), which resulted in the removal of her entire colon and a dramatic lifestyle change frown

So.....I'm a bit gun-shy using these H2 meds longerm without something to treat the flora. (The proton pump inhibitors are MUCH worse btw.) This could just be my personal paranoia based on a very rare case!

The noisy breathing...can you tell if that's coming from the nose or elsewhere? Before or after the meds were started?


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Re: Mast Cell Tumors [Re: MaxaLisa] #49553
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Banshee's spot on her chest is all but gone. It is perfectly flat skin without any hair. I really had to look for it. I can't find the spots on the back of her legs or her side either. However, the spot on her face is larger and lumpier though.

We started her on turmeric this week. 800 mg/day. DH couldn't get a handle on how to get her to swallow the large capsule. Hellooo!!! Peanut Butter!!!

As far as probiotics, she gets yogurt with as many probiotics as possible in it. I'm looking for a grass fed tripe right now.

Re: Mast Cell Tumors [Re: LifeAsMe] #49588
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Wow, GREAT news on the spots that have disappeared thumbup Sure do wish the spot on her face would respond too, darn it frown

I dip the pills in a gob of yogurt here, but I can see the peanut butter being a hit!

Sounds like her digestive system is hoding up well too, since you haven't mention it?

Curcumin is great stuff!

Eta: forgot to say what a great job you've done putting together a program - sure am glad that she is responding so well.

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Re: Mast Cell Tumors [Re: MaxaLisa] #49593
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She does quite a bit of panting after she eats. I wonder if we need to split her meals up in smaller portions, even if we only wait 1/2 hour to an hour and then give her the rest.

Or if she's not dealing with chicken very well? I'm going to give her some duck and fish this weekend and see how that goes. She did well with the beef but since I"ve added chicken she started the panting. no other signs that she's not tolerating it though.

We'll see what happens with the other spot now that we've added the curcumin. I can also up the dosage of benadryl. She's only getting 25 mg morning and night right not she can have up to 75mg every 8 hours. I'm holding off on increasing it because she will eventually develop a tolerance to it so I'm hoping the anti-inflammatory properties of the curcumin help with that spot.

Re: Mast Cell Tumors [Re: LifeAsMe] #49604
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From your description, it sounds like the chicken. With Max, the panting is usually digestive issues, often it's gas. But these dogs are all so individual!

For the other spot, you could always try the green tea compress if it doesn't respond? I always have trouble remembering to do that stuff on a regular basis though...life can be so hectic.


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Re: Mast Cell Tumors [Re: MaxaLisa] #50345
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It must be the chicken. She did fine on beef, switched her to duck and mackerel...no panting and she WANTS to eat it.

Unfortunately, I was looking in the wrong spot for the one growth. It's still there and not any smaller. frown

Re: Mast Cell Tumors [Re: LifeAsMe] #50385
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Well crap on that growth! I was all excited frown IP6 helps cancer cells die - it changes them so that they can be killed. I don't know if it is useful for mast cells, but it did amazing things for my dad. Maybe something to think about.

I'm wondering if there is any chance those spots are lipomas.


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Re: Mast Cell Tumors [Re: MaxaLisa] #50409
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They could be lipomas. They could be anything and we'll never know because we chose to not disturb them. I hope we made the right decision. frown

On the Upside of things...the growth on her chest is NOT any larger. It is a bit smaller than before we started. And we can't find the other spots on her side and back legs.

She's perkier than I've seen in a long time! smile

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Perkier and steady state sounds great though! The fact that they have not grown, you're right, is significant right there smile

With these old girls, decisisons are tough. I found an enlarged lymph node near indy's mast cell tumor scar the other night. The vet just checked them a week and a half ago. Two days back on tagamet and her lyme vax hip is all puffy and she can't walk right. But then, I also found a tick attached near that node that same night - not engorged, but wonder if that contributed to the node. She is also prone to lipomas in that area. With her heart, surgery isn't much of an option for her either.

No easy decisions sometimes.

I think you're doing great for Banshee, quality at this point, is what is important.


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Jazmine, mini-mix, 10/18/2011
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Indy, 5/1997-10/2010, RIP my friend, my teacher

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Re: Mast Cell Tumors [Re: MaxaLisa] #51157
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Looking up something for my mom, I tripped over this:
http://www.healthcentral.com/acid-reflux/news-265761-98.html

Maybe a sublingual a couple times a week?


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Jazmine, mini-mix, 10/18/2011
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Max, 5/2001-2/2012, RIP my partner, my Regal Boy
Indy, 5/1997-10/2010, RIP my friend, my teacher

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