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Re: Separation Anxiety [Re: MaxaLisa] #250624
09/02/12 07:18 AM
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You're right about the leaving twice. I remember that for Rafi the first 10 minutes was the worst. Once I got him past that he did fine for hours. Even now I hate running back in the house when I forget something.

Getting Rafi out of the crate was key. When I left him in the crate he would destroy anything he could get his mouth on but when I left him loose he didn't touch anything in the house. So barrier anxiety was a big one for him.

I'm confused because you say that Jazz is fine when you leave her for 5 minutes b/c she knows you're not really leaving. Aren't you doing the exercises where you go through the whole leaving routine?


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Re: Separation Anxiety [Re: BowWowMeow] #250650
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This thought may be delirium induced but... how about making a video loop of "you" - talking, singing, talking on the phone, moving about. Do you think that might be "interesting" for her?

Re: Separation Anxiety [Re: BowWowMeow] #250664
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Originally Posted By: BowWowMeow

I'm confused because you say that Jazz is fine when you leave her for 5 minutes b/c she knows you're not really leaving. Aren't you doing the exercises where you go through the whole leaving routine?


We are up to the "count" of five, not yet a minute, but we are slowly getting there. One time I even counted to 15!

I am going out the front door when I do this, rather than the laundry door to the garage which is our usual exit. For the area I am blocking off, I might have to use that door, and go around after I have opened the garage. So with that door, I really am starting more neutral I think - I think she does not yet associate it with me leaving. I will use the usual door while she is still in the crate.

I have to be careful where I set the xpens to block the areas when I leave so he has access to the door, otherwise she will scale the xpen, I'm sure of it.

I am also starting more "door therapy" in the house. I live alone, I don't close door. I am trying to remember to close a door with her on the other side more frequently.


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Re: Separation Anxiety [Re: middleofnowhere] #250665
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Originally Posted By: middleofnowhere
This thought may be delirium induced but... how about making a video loop of "you" - talking, singing, talking on the phone, moving about. Do you think that might be "interesting" for her?

Ugh, I so don't want to do that, but maybe worth a thought! Some things I've read do recommend taping yourself reading a book.


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Re: Separation Anxiety [Re: MaxaLisa] #251112
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How's this week going for Jazz?

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Re: Separation Anxiety [Re: Mary Jane] #251238
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Just checking in to see how Jazzy is doing? I'm hoping that her week went well. peacesign


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Re: Separation Anxiety [Re: Braverhund] #251356
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Thanks for checking up on us!! smile

We thankfully had a short week. Monday was a holiday, Tuesday I didn't go in, and Wednesday she came to work with me since we had an appointment after work. So, we only had to get through Thursday and Friday.

She did better, she didn't need a bath from the drool when I got home, and I don't think I saw any new blood. So this is good. It's still really hard, but at least there's a bit of hope.

When we get up and we go out first thing in the morning I give her a Happy Traveler capsule. After getting ready, breakfast, and a morning walk, she gets her second Happy Traveler capsule (which doubles her recommended dose) and a St. John's Wort capsule, and I put a couple of kongs in her crate, with an antler, and the most important addition was the kibble in frozen broth kong. She goes nuts for it. I had read that some of the tricyclic antidepressants can start to help control this fairly quickly, which is why I added the SJW. However, some of the other drugs they use can take months, and I have no idea how quickly the SJW will help, if at all.

Leaving is really hard, it weighs on me greatly, but it was nice having an easier week this week. Monday we have our appt with the day care trainer to see if we "pass", so she gets to come in with me then too, yay!

I am having a hard time conditioning her to be alone out of the crate, since once I'm home, it's twice as hard for her to be away from me. Evening practicing "waits" are almost impossible on days I've been to work and left her alone.

And it's so surprising really, she's not a clingy dog, she is otherwise confident and becoming more independent all the time.

After comments here about how she might do at daycare, I have let her play with a few bigger dogs that we've met, and one of the neighbor dogs, and she has done great. And you guys are right, she will be the ring leader wub


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Re: Separation Anxiety [Re: MaxaLisa] #251361
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Sweet Jazzy having playdates wub I hope all goes well on Monday. And yah for Kongs!


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Re: Separation Anxiety [Re: bianca] #251372
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Thanks for the update. I can only guess how tough it must be to leave her, knowing how she feels. You are both searching for a solution, I really think she is trying to understand what's happening, but it seems to be hugely stressful and that makes it hard to think. Jazz can learn so much, so fast that each day is some kind of progress, even if it's not the direction you'd like.

If she is admitted (does she need letters of recommendation?), will you start day care right away?

MJ

Re: Separation Anxiety [Re: Mary Jane] #251385
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Incremental progress is still progress! smile Think good thoughts about how far you have come. No blood, no drool-bath? Improvement! That means all you are doing is working. Small steps, but forward progress! I hope she loooves her daycare "teacher" and her entrance exam is passed with flying ears.. I mean, flying colors! wink I'll continue to send calming vibes for Jazzy!


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Re: Separation Anxiety [Re: Braverhund] #251389
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Yes, incremental steps are still forward steps and that is good! The frozen broth, what a lifesaver. Not sure what I'll be able to use if I get to the point I leave her out of the crate, I'm sure that will ucky the carpet. One step at a time though!

Lol, that would be cute to bring a letter of recommendation smile

Next week, because of the appt she is coming in on monday, and friday too if I go to the dept picnic. So that leaves wed and thurs. I may try and start her then when her momory of the place is still fairly fresh, then after that each thursday.

Of course I worry she will worry she is being left, since she was already abandoned once. But one step at a time, and I think she will have a blast once she understands.


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Re: Separation Anxiety [Re: MaxaLisa] #251390
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Poor thing, we're getting ready for training and she's shivering, thinking it's a work day frown


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Re: Separation Anxiety [Re: MaxaLisa] #251466
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frown That is so sad, she is just a pup and shouldn't be so stressed hugging

I hope training went well.


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Cooper GSD (The Gremlin) 19/10/11
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Re: Separation Anxiety [Re: bianca] #251531
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Training went well, except my timing is off (not used to a puppy, not used to a small dog!). But she is still young, lots of time with her, and I'm happy not to push her too much while she is developing. Self control is coming slower!

The separation during the week seems to make it harder for her to train - less willing to do things that require me to walk away from her, unless she is in control.

I'm wondering if I should start her a half day at daycare, if they accept us. Don't know if I can get away with taking her in another day though.....


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Re: Separation Anxiety [Re: MaxaLisa] #251536
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It sounds like she is doing really well, Lisa. She sure is a trooper! Glad you found something she likes (the broth kong) and glad she had some play dates! When you're talking SA, any progress is progress!


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http://www.dogster.com/dogs/693238

Varda & Gio (the crazy cattens)
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Queen Cleopatra
Chama
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