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Re: Cooper - Hip Dysplasia [Re: MaxaLisa] #250631
09/02/12 10:15 AM
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A lady (who has Mals and GSDs) on the aussie forum said NOT to do hill walking with Coopers hips. That because it's not just muscle wastage but that he is structually unsound. That makes sense but I will contact the specialist later this week and find out exactly what he recommends by restricted exercise.


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Re: Cooper - Hip Dysplasia [Re: bianca] #250635
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I'm trying to remember what we did for Rosa and exercise between the time she was diagnosed and her surgery (it was only a month or so). I think we just let her self-limit, and we didn't do any long off-leash walks when Niko was with us (because she liked to tear around with him). We knew the activities that resulted in her limping (chasing Don on the bike, hours of running), so we just kept those activities to a minimum.


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That makes sense actually, it might put his hip at an angle that is painful.

I think I would just allow activity as usual and self-limit.


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Re: Cooper - Hip Dysplasia [Re: MaxaLisa] #250741
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Thank you both!

Cooper snuck his ball in earlier (I don't usually let balls inside) and it rolled away from him. Wonka went to get it and Cooper got a bit grumpy (Of course the fun police Molly intervened) but anyway Cooper must have hurt himself in the scuffle ; he yelped.


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Re: Cooper - Hip Dysplasia [Re: bianca] #250746
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If it doesn't sound mean, I'm glad Coopie yelped. He is good enough to let you know when something hurts, and I certainly hope it didn't hurt much.

Another vote for whey protein, my tiny mother counted on it when she couldn't eat enough to keep up her metabolism.

We got it from Amazon because they had unflavored.

MJ

Re: Cooper - Hip Dysplasia [Re: Mary Jane] #251084
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Thank you Mary Jane hugging

I haven't heard back about the greyhound supplement so will try and see how else I can get hold of it.

I heard via Moo's breeder that the surgeon up there said "oh heck" at the xray. He would look to do one hip at about 12 months and see how he goes from there.

I got an email back from the surgeon who will do the surgery about exercise restrictions and the continues use of Previcox:

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Hi Bianca, I would recommend exercise be REGULAR and LOW IMPACT. This to me means walking on a lead, walking in the shallows, swimming, under water treadmill. You should avoid all off lead activity, playing Frisbee, chasing ball etc.

This approach to exercise will help develop muscle mass on the pelvic limbs. I would only use the Previcox if you believe it is helping make the hips more comfortable. Otherwise stop.


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So I will start cutting his dose down by a quarter and see if there is any change.

I am about to email another specialist who actually does penn hip scoring. He is highly recommended. So will see what he thinks about a plan.

So sad for Coopie, his favourite past-time is fetching his ball.


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Re: Cooper - Hip Dysplasia [Re: bianca] #251094
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Originally Posted By: bianca
So sad for Coopie, his favourite past-time is fetching his ball.



Poor sweetie-dog, I'm sure it must be hard to deny him his ball. If only you could explain short-term costs and looooooooooooooong-term benefits.

Thanks very much for the update. 12 months is October isn't it?

Mary Jane

Re: Cooper - Hip Dysplasia [Re: Mary Jane] #251106
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Thaat sounds like a much more balanced appproach to the NSAID.

I don't know how strict I would be with the "no off leash" thing. Looking at Jazz's condition here, just allowing her freedom back off leash after her surgeries has helped with the muscle she had lost from inactivity.

I know it's a tough decision either way, too bad you just can't make a deal with him about it!


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Re: Cooper - Hip Dysplasia [Re: MaxaLisa] #251125
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I think you can develop some low impact ball games for him like hiding the ball, rolling the ball to him as a reward for a down stay, etc.

Nose work might be a fun thing for him!


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Re: Cooper - Hip Dysplasia [Re: BowWowMeow] #251131
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When Rica's legs were giving out, I would play catch with her - ball toss from a short distance away and let her catch it. Sometimes, she would give the ball a little bite right after she caught it and pop it right out of her mouth. It almost felt like she was tossing the ball back to me.


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Re: Cooper - Hip Dysplasia [Re: Woodreb] #251163
09/06/12 09:42 PM
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Niko and I play a similar game that Johanna described (we play when he gets tired of chasing but still wants to interact with me), kind of a pass it back and forth kind of thing. He'll have the ball in his mouth, squeaking it, and then drop it and look at me (he's laying down). I'll pick it up and toss it back into his mouth whereupon he'll resume squeaking it until he's ready to give it up again.

The surgeon who is doing the THR, when does he want to have it done? If he is like the second guy you consulted and wants to do it at a year old (which Mary Jane thinks is October?), then that's not so far away and I think it might not be a bad idea to keep him restricted to on-leash activities. I guess I'm just thinking that you might as well get used to it since post surgery will be only on leash for a few months. Of course that could be a good argument for letting him have all the off leash playtime now while he still can! I don't know what to tell you. frown


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Re: Cooper - Hip Dysplasia [Re: Good_Karma] #251227
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Thank you all smile

Nosework is a great idea thank you Ruth! Playing a kind of catch game with him would not be good...he is the goofiest pup I know and NEVER catches the ball! But I could roll it to him thank you ladies!

I am not going to keep him on a leash, I think if I just don't throw his ball, he will self limit. And I will make sure when I play fetch with Moo, that I keep him locked inside.

The surgeon that should be doing the surgery said at least 15 months old so another 7 months.

But I got a reply to this surgeon/specialist today (he does the penn hip scoring and also breeds greys) :

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Hi Bianca



I have looked at the xrays and there certainly is a problem.



Before you have any surgery done I need to see this pup and fully examine him and then make some plans for you, and hopefully avoid surgery.

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He wants to see Coop asap so I should be able to get down there in a couple of weeks. I am hoping to get an appointment with both clinics on the same day so I will have more of an idea.


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Re: Cooper - Hip Dysplasia [Re: bianca] #251245
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bianca—I’m so very sorry you are going through this with your boy, I can’t even imagine, but please know I’m keeping you both in my heart and in my prayers.

Re: Cooper - Hip Dysplasia [Re: MSD] #251299
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"Hopefully avoid surgery"??? thinking I'm sorry but I just don't see how that's possible. frown


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Bianca, might you have this surgeon examine Cooper? I too, am curious about the "avoid surgery" possibility he mentions. I am interested to hear what ideas this specialist might have. In any event, you and Coopie are on my mind! I am sending all the positive, healthy, happy-joint-vibes peacesign Cooper's way that I can. butterfly angel bloomrose I just want this all behind you, with Cooper feeling well, and you being able to finally breathe a sigh of relief! hugging Until then, you can count on lots of healing well-wishes flowing out for Cooper! grouphug


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