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Re: Cooper - Hip Dysplasia [Re: Good_Karma] #255651
10/10/12 08:02 AM
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Thanks Patti and Leah hugging


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Cooper GSD (The Gremlin) 19/10/11
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Re: Cooper - Hip Dysplasia [Re: bianca] #255677
10/10/12 02:29 PM
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I am very sorry you have to wait (and worry) for another month. hugging


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Re: Cooper - Hip Dysplasia [Re: BowWowMeow] #255854
10/11/12 07:38 AM
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Another month, no fair!


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Re: Cooper - Hip Dysplasia [Re: MaxaLisa] #255860
10/11/12 08:22 AM
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Thank you Ruth and Lisa hugging I don't feel too bad having to wait a bit longer as it's not like a month is going to change what is happening.


Molly Moo (aka The Piranha, 4 legged mouth) GSD (31/10/09)
Cooper GSD (The Gremlin) 19/10/11
Texas - Tabby cat (Feb 1996-2013) Run free sweet Teppie
Paris - Tabby cat (Feb 1996-2013) Run free my beautiful girl.
Re: Cooper - Hip Dysplasia [Re: bianca] #260307
11/12/12 11:41 AM
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Well we made the trip into the big smoke today rofl and the first specialist said he hates to say it but Cooper does need an THR (total hip replacement).

In no particular order but his weight is ideal (32.5kgs / 71#) that he is at a working dog weight.

Coopers hips would probably be rated in the 80/90 figure frown

Keep doing what I am with the Previcox and use as needed.

So the second appointment the vet wanted to give Coop a general anesthetic and do xrays so he could position correctly . Darn it we hadn't figured on that so we found a park and sat under a tree for 5 hours until we could pick him up!

He agrees that he HAS to have a THR. He said there is a 95% success rate. The 5% is usually due to trying to jump on furniture or running etc but also can be infection. I found it really interesting that he said for the life of the dog after a THR, I would have to be extra through in making sure he doesn't get any type of infection. He used dental as an example, that he would need to be on abx to ensure no infection can travel to the prosthetic.

Possibly he will be one of the lucky ones who will only need one hip done.

I have to start trying to build more muscle and he wants to see him in about a month to check. He said if he doesn't have enough muscle in his rear it can make it so much more difficult to adjust and then use the hip after. He said at the moment his right leg is not doing much for him, he is not weight bearing properly on it.

So I have to start from tomorrow walking him through water (even knee height) daily, starting him off at about 10 minutes and hopefully get up to half an hour without him being in too much pain.

So at this stage he has not set a date for surgery but did say he won't do it before Christmas due to all the public holidays. Once he has the surgery, crate rest only for 6 weeks and then for the first 6 months, crate and on leash walking(activity) only. I can't imagine how awful this will be.

He also said he will obviously do xrays straight after the procedure, then at 6 weeks, 6 months and from there yearly.

Sorry this was so long blush

I only thought about it on the way home, but I will email tomorrow and ask if I take weekly photo's and video of him can he check on his progress that way.


Molly Moo (aka The Piranha, 4 legged mouth) GSD (31/10/09)
Cooper GSD (The Gremlin) 19/10/11
Texas - Tabby cat (Feb 1996-2013) Run free sweet Teppie
Paris - Tabby cat (Feb 1996-2013) Run free my beautiful girl.
Re: Cooper - Hip Dysplasia [Re: bianca] #260308
11/12/12 11:42 AM
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Oh and when I receive the xrays I will post them. (So much better being digital).


Molly Moo (aka The Piranha, 4 legged mouth) GSD (31/10/09)
Cooper GSD (The Gremlin) 19/10/11
Texas - Tabby cat (Feb 1996-2013) Run free sweet Teppie
Paris - Tabby cat (Feb 1996-2013) Run free my beautiful girl.
Re: Cooper - Hip Dysplasia [Re: bianca] #260310
11/12/12 12:01 PM
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Well, no big surprises there I guess. It seems kind of cruel to make him try to build up muscle when it must hurt like heck to put weight on that hip. frown. I mean, if he's not using it, it must be because it hurts, right? Maybe it hurts less walking in water?

Honestly, I think the recovery after the surgery won't be as bad as you anticipate. What you went through with his elbows, I think that was worse than what you will deal with in the THR. For one, You won't have to change any dressings or worry too much about the surgical site after the first couple of days. No bandages to fall off or get dirty, no reason for a cone once the staples come out. All you will have to worry about is using the sling under his hips the first couple of days for when you take him out to potty.

Now you have me a little freaked out about the infection thing, lol. I think we forgot about that part. I guess we got lucky with Rosa's tooth infection this fall!


Leah
Re: Cooper - Hip Dysplasia [Re: Good_Karma] #260317
11/12/12 01:39 PM
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I'm optomistic about the surgery results. I would do my best to comply with the routine for building muscle. I think the water will help take the weight off that leg a bit (think water aerobics) or maybe I'm nuts and it's just the resistance that will do it. But what a time of year to be wading!

Good luck with this. He's such a cutie, I am sorry he's having so many problems. (I'd be sorry even if he were uglier than sin of course.)

Re: Cooper - Hip Dysplasia [Re: middleofnowhere] #260319
11/12/12 01:58 PM
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I'm glad you finally had the appointments! I don't know if things are different now from when Massie had the surgery (20 years ago!!!!!) but she was back to full speed in about 6 weeks. However, she was in really good shape before her surgery. She had severe bilateral HD but she was walking or hiking 1 to 3 hours every day (in the mountains). So I do agree with the specialist that muscle tone in there is crucial. Because of that she also was able to get by with one surgery.

I was really nervous after her surgery b/c of the dire warnings but luckily it wasn't as bad as they made it sound.

Hang in there! This is going to be a good thing for your sweet boy!


Ruth

Rafi, the german malaroo, age 9.5ish
http://www.dogster.com/dogs/693238

Varda & Gio (the crazy cattens)
...............
Warming my heart:
Queen Cleopatra
Chama
Kai
Basu
Massie
Re: Cooper - Hip Dysplasia [Re: BowWowMeow] #260325
11/12/12 03:04 PM
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I had not heard about the risk of infection before. No mention of it when Kayos had hers done in 2008. She had cementless tho so that mat make a difference.

The recovery is not so bad, we did not have to do leashed walks only for 6 months to either. So I am thinking they are using cement which is a little longer recovery I think.

The surgeon that did Kayos did say the more muscle they have the better the hip will work and the easier the recovery. She was in good condition so we did not have to build her up.

Hopefully they will do surgery after the first of the year. The nice thing is that it is coming into your summer so you won't have to deal with leashed walks on ice and snow. We did Kayos in September and we had her pretty well on her feet before we had any bad weather.


Kathy

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Re: Cooper - Hip Dysplasia [Re: Kayos] #260340
11/12/12 06:07 PM
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Poor Coop...at least you have a better idea of what and when. Hugs!


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Re: Cooper - Hip Dysplasia [Re: bianca] #260351
11/12/12 06:51 PM
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I am glad that you are making progress towards getting this surgery done. I know it's a long haul, but it will be worth it, but you know that! I don't recall the total hip having as strict as limitations as you mentioned, such as crating and leash walking for 6 months after the first 6 weeks. I wonder if that is the norm?

I know with Dad's hip, they had him up and walking as much as possible, and he was ready to go. With Indy's TPO, the vet kept her confined, much like you describe with your vet, and it actually hampered her ability to recovered since it compromised her muscle mass - turns out my vet was giving me wrong info. I'm curious about the other dogs on the forum, if they had that 6 month restriction? Certainly not saying to not listen to the surgeon about this, but just wondering if this might be something that professionals have different approaches to?

The infection thing is very real. The vet that treated Indy during her tick stuff believes that there was bacteria hiding under the plate in her hip that we could never get rid of and may have been a source of reinfection. With hardware in the body, there is a not a good blood supply there, so antibiotics really can't get at it once it has set up shop. The bacteria creates a bit of a biofilm that protects it. So the important thing is to not let bacteria get in there at all in the first place. The good news is that infection is supposed to be rare, but good to keep in mind. Think of the instances you would use prophylactic antibiotics for heart patients (as mentioned, dentals are a big one), and the same rule applies whenever there is hardware in the body. Everyone is worried about the overuse of abx now, so my guess is that it has to be the patient/owner to remember these things and insist on their use. I would add, particularly in a GSD, whose breed seems to be susceptible to infections.


MaxaL (aka LisaT)

Jazmine, mini-mix, 10/18/2011
Max-n-Indy
Max, 5/2001-2/2012, RIP my partner, my Regal Boy
Indy, 5/1997-10/2010, RIP my friend, my teacher

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Re: Cooper - Hip Dysplasia [Re: MaxaLisa] #260408
11/13/12 07:12 AM
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That 6 months seems a bit excessive to me as well, even humans do not have to be that long winded with rehab as just the first six week will mean muscle wastage and that will need to be rebuilt too so I can only imagine what limited leash only exercise for 6 months will cause.

I suggest speaking to some rehab centres and see what they say regarding these time frames. Here are two if you feel so inclined: Aquapaws and Dogs in Motion frown

hugging


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Quynne gsdhalo - Black Female GSD - Sept 29, 2004 - 11 Nov 2013 Deeply missed

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Re: Cooper - Hip Dysplasia [Re: Qyn] #260410
11/13/12 09:07 AM
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Thank you so much all hugging

The first vet (Ray Ferguson as Monash) did say that when Cooper has had the surgery to go see him and he will show me how to do all the physio.

Also I can start to gently push his hips from side to side when he is standing to tighten and release the muscles.

Thank you for the links Alison, I will contact them. The more opinions the better. I think what he meant was that after the first 6 weeks, all activity, so walks etc must be done on lead. I will certainly query this more when we are closer to the time.

Thanks Leah, that is encouraging smile

Both vets did say that his elbow issues could have been a huge part of his hips. That made me feel a little better!

Yes the infection issue is scary. He said having a dog with a THR is a lifelong commitment. That you can't just have it done and forget all about it. I have no problem with that as I am always paranoid anyway.

Thanks again all, it is so good to be able to unload all this. And Middle, he is a cutie teehee!!! smile

ETA: yes the water walking and perhaps some swimming is to take the weight off his joints!

Last edited by bianca; 11/13/12 09:09 AM.

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Cooper GSD (The Gremlin) 19/10/11
Texas - Tabby cat (Feb 1996-2013) Run free sweet Teppie
Paris - Tabby cat (Feb 1996-2013) Run free my beautiful girl.
Re: Cooper - Hip Dysplasia [Re: bianca] #260415
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Cooper GSD (The Gremlin) 19/10/11
Texas - Tabby cat (Feb 1996-2013) Run free sweet Teppie
Paris - Tabby cat (Feb 1996-2013) Run free my beautiful girl.
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