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Re: Separation Anxiety [Re: bianca] #260349
11/12/12 06:33 PM
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Just updating....

Daily day care is very stressful for her, she was starting to get worse instead of better. She had a weird anxiety attack at agility (shades of max frown ). Turns out she had a pretty good UTI (might be vaginitis, vet is not sure). No bacteria seen, but a very high WBC. We treated with cipro, it came back again, treated again. Completely changed her personality, the vet that hasn't seen her but once had noticed what a different dog she was after the cipro. She is just coming off the cipro now, so I hope that it doesn't return. My folks, several of the neighbors and folks have school have also noticed the huge difference in her overall from this too. I knew something was wrong, but there was nothing obvious. She did pee once in the car, and a couple times during the night, but it was not clear if that was a housetraining issue or excitement pee'ing. She showed practically no symptoms - I took her in for a blood panel and UA for a baseline when she turned a year old.

I started her on St. John's Wort for real for the anxiety, since the next step would have to be drugs. We are at about day 6 or so. About day 4, she started walking towards the door at daycare instead of running away from it when I drop her off. I don't know if this will be the answer, but I have to try. The vet also has her trying the DAP collar.

She found a way to escape the yard, so I have stopped working on leaving her unsupervised back there for the time being. I have a lot of work to cut back the neighbor's bushes before I can put a screen on the fence (wrought iron), and I'm making slow progress, just gave up and sprayed some roundup the other day.

Not much time to work on desensitizing at home, by the time we get home and we recover from the day, so I am just working on leaving her alone for short periods of time, moving the keys when I think about it. I will have about a month off between semesters, and will be able to hit this hard then.

For now, she is not hurting herself (though I do worry with all the collar grabs she is exposed to there), she is not hurting the house. I guess the only thing she is hurting is my pocket book for the time being. Still feeding in the crate - she loves her crate, just doesn't love being alone.

Last edited by MaxaLisa; 11/12/12 08:48 PM.

MaxaL (aka LisaT)

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Re: Separation Anxiety [Re: MaxaLisa] #260375
11/12/12 10:23 PM
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Wow, Lisa, I don't know what to say. All these challenges. Girl, I really do hope next year will make up for all this stuff that got dished out to you this year.

Poor Jazzy, UTI's are so not fun. I can't take Cipro. I had an allergic reaction to it a few years ago that left me with strong symptoms of a UTI but no UTI evidence medically. The doctors were baffled. Did an ultra sound inside and out without anything found. Yet the symptoms persisted for quite some time because of my reaction to CIPRO. I wonder if this is the same scenario for Jazzy. It took me over a year to completely recover from it because the doctors were clueless. I lost about 40 pounds in the process of recovering.

What helped me was liver support supplements, probiotics, watching acidity levels (ph balance) and believe it or not using vagisil wipes (they restore ph balance in that area).

Maybe ask the doc to switch antibiotic in case she is allergic to it?

As always, wishing for a mucho good things coming your way to make up for all this difficult challenges and of course perfect health for Jazzy


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Re: Separation Anxiety [Re: TimberWolf] #260376
11/12/12 10:33 PM
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Aww, poor Jazzy!! Nothing in life is ever easy is it? Funny the side effects medicines can have. I'm convinced the Clindamycin that Rosa was on caused her ED to flare up, and we still haven't gotten her back to her regular activity level. Sounds like Jazzy is headed back to normal though? Fingers crossed.


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Re: Separation Anxiety [Re: Good_Karma] #260412
11/13/12 09:19 AM
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hugging hugging Poor sweet Jazz and poor you. I so hope she comes back to her normal asap hugging


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Re: Separation Anxiety [Re: MaxaLisa] #260428
11/13/12 01:44 PM
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Good for you for tryibng St John's wort. It may be helping, or, just more time at daycare may be helping. Whatever it is, paws here are crossed that she improves. I don't blame you for trying to avoid drugs. Even if it ever comes to that, maybe 3 months of them and she's got a new emotional memory of how she feels when left alone. No matter what, we are all sending good thoughts for you and Jazzy! peacesign


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Re: Separation Anxiety [Re: Braverhund] #260454
11/13/12 05:46 PM
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Roundup in your yard? Does the dog have access to the sprayed area? That would worry me.

Dunno what the setup is and how large, but there are mechanical ways to cutting back bushes fast, like an electric hedge cutter (I bought mine refurbished on Amazon) and, if they are thicker branches, a branch cutter.


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Re: Separation Anxiety [Re: shepnterrier] #260457
11/13/12 06:14 PM
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Lisa,

I am just reading trying to understand how one copes with SA when there are real world commitments like working. I hate to see that Jazmine had an infection and drug reaction just as you're working out a separation strategy.

Does it make any sense to try a short term and a long term solution? I mean try SJW and daycare for now and then when you have your month break, work through the conditioning that may solve the problem.

I do know that trying to change a dog's mind and work and also go to the grocery now and then took a lot of effort for me.

best wishes to you both,
MJ

Re: Separation Anxiety [Re: shepnterrier] #260458
11/13/12 06:23 PM
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Thanks everyone, it's really a pain in the butt to not be able to leave her alone. Ever. Yesterday I left her in the house behind the closed door while I went into the garage for about a minute and coming back in, she's already in her "getting ready to panic" mode. So I will keep working on that.

Elvi, not good about the cipro. My dog indy had a severe reaction to abx in this class. Not sure about Jazz yet. So far so good, but really need to be aggresive once she comes off of them so she doesn't have to go back. I have a feeling this will be stubborn, since the first round didn't do it. Vet did say, treat for a week after symptoms are gone. He also said if this doesn't do it, it might be vaginities and we might have to do some rinses, so maybe I need to try those wipes for her. Her urine is very acidic, which I think is better at keeping away bacteria, though I think I would rather it be a touch more alkaline.

Sarah, I know, not very happy about the roundup at all. I'm able to keep her out of that area until the things are cut. They have to be cut by hand, and I have to keep them from growing back and wrecking the small wire fence I'll be putting on the border. Just not happy about any of it. Over the years, have pent too many work hours on the neighbor's bushes.


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Re: Separation Anxiety [Re: MaxaLisa] #260469
11/13/12 07:39 PM
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MJ, I didn't see your post earlier.

Yes, I think I have to do that, short term, long term thing. I'm just really nervous that I won't make progres over the break.

You are right, changing the way a dog thinks is not something that is easy, or quick frown

I sometimes wonder if she is more afraid of being alone, or me being unprotected (by her of course). Maybe both, not sure I'm thinking of this the right way.

She went downstairs before me this morning, this I what I saw when I went down:



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Re: Separation Anxiety [Re: MaxaLisa] #260472
11/13/12 07:56 PM
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Awee, she loves that sun. Smart girl.


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Re: Separation Anxiety [Re: TimberWolf] #260476
11/13/12 09:08 PM
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She does love the sun!

I forgot to mention, I have stopped all heeling work with her, and only working on things like recall, or "coming with" when there is a specific purpose.

Yesterday, for the first time, she didn't come when called, and almost ran off the court. NOT good in general, but a tep in the right direction for her. I'm having a heck of a time getting her to work at a distance, which I think is part of this.


MaxaL (aka LisaT)

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Indy, 5/1997-10/2010, RIP my friend, my teacher

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Re: Separation Anxiety [Re: TimberWolf] #260484
11/13/12 09:50 PM
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Oh, she is so pretty! And carrying the weight of the world on those little brown shoulders. frown


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Re: Separation Anxiety [Re: MaxaLisa] #260485
11/13/12 10:07 PM
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Originally Posted By: MaxaLisa
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Yesterday, for the first time, she didn't come when called, and almost ran off the court. NOT good in general, but a tep in the right direction for her. I'm having a heck of a time getting her to work at a distance, which I think is part of this.


Could it be that she is a bit overwhelmed with not feeling well but also dealing with the other issues, etc. Maybe concentrating on only a few things right now to give her space to recover and find her balance again would help her. Just a thought.


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Re: Separation Anxiety [Re: TimberWolf] #260515
11/14/12 08:01 AM
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Elvi, it's not real intense training, just everyday stuff working on during the week. We both get a good amount of down time, I'm just limping along the rest of the term....

Leah, a good way to put that, keeping an eye on everything, and very serious in her job as watch dog.


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Max, 5/2001-2/2012, RIP my partner, my Regal Boy
Indy, 5/1997-10/2010, RIP my friend, my teacher

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Re: Separation Anxiety [Re: MaxaLisa] #260524
11/14/12 08:55 AM
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frown wub So unfair, she should just be able to 'be' a puppy frown


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