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Re: Separation Anxiety [Re: MaxaLisa] #257061
10/20/12 12:19 AM
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Oh, mouth mut be okay, chewing on an antler now, after she finished all the kong stuff he had left. When she is alone, she tends not to be as interested in that stuff.


MaxaL (aka LisaT)

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Re: Separation Anxiety [Re: MaxaLisa] #257076
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I was hoping she was doing better but she erally was trying to get out to find you.

Poor baby and poor Lisa. I am so sorry.

I forget - did you already try the thunder shirt?


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Re: Separation Anxiety [Re: PositiveDog] #257079
10/20/12 04:16 AM
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Thank you Bonnie.

You know, she was meant to be here, but once we made that connection, she isn't about to let me out of her sight. I wish I could unlock that terror she has...

Tried the thunderhirt. Doesn't seem to help much for this.

I can try higher dose dedicated St. John's Wort I guess. It's part of the HT, but there is other stuff in there that makes her sleepy, or at least used to.

Very hard.


MaxaL (aka LisaT)

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Re: Separation Anxiety [Re: Good_Karma] #257085
10/20/12 06:04 AM
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We had a foster Great Dane that left our shelter door jambs like that frown
So sad - I hope you can get things under control.
A crate can be a saving grace with an SA dog, or a disaster, if they can break out of it (or injure themselves trying).

I can tell you that put in a proper kennel (which, for him, was a Behlen Country livestock duty one) he was more relaxed and containable, but if anything was there to destroy, he would.

He's doing well in his new home, thank God. His new owner is home a lot so that works.

ETA: my own Tristan (Dachshund) has anxiety but it's not SA type. He's fine loose in the house, it's more...like, related to the stress of eating (fed 2x a day) and he's always kind of had anxiety/stress.
He licks things all the time, and he shredded the arms of our love seat and couch.
The Thundershirt did not work for him, either, and he's now on Fluoxetine (prozac) for the anxiety. It helps, I believe. But this morning he was gnawing on his toenail again. He's currently licking one of the dog beds.
*sigh*

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Re: Separation Anxiety [Re: msvette2u] #257087
10/20/12 08:46 AM
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Oh crap, Lisa I am so sorry for you both hugging hugging

I do wonder if perhaps some medication may help her? I'm so sorry, poor little girl hugging


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Re: Separation Anxiety [Re: MaxaLisa] #257100
10/20/12 11:51 AM
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Aw crap, poor Jazzy! To be so scared to be without you, that is so sad. teary The door frame, well, that's fixable. But so hard to fix fear. frown

I wish I had advice hugging


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Re: Separation Anxiety [Re: MaxaLisa] #257115
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Re: Separation Anxiety [Re: arycrest] #257121
10/20/12 04:22 PM
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Thank you. Today after breakfast, he just starting shivering, thinking it was an alone day.

Yep, so hard to fix fear frown


MaxaL (aka LisaT)

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Re: Separation Anxiety [Re: MaxaLisa] #257127
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Re: Separation Anxiety [Re: TimberWolf] #257208
10/21/12 01:27 PM
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I missed the troubling updates. Shooot, Jazzy is so smart and so aware, I guess sometimes that brain power comes with sensitivity. Fear can reach down through all kinds of good sense, I believe it's quite different from some other behavioral concerns. It's too close to survival.

I wish things would get better....
MJ

Re: Separation Anxiety [Re: Mary Jane] #257215
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Well, darn it, this is not what I was hoping to read! I'm so sorry for both of you. frown SA is so tough. Rafi's has been worse lately because I've been so stressed out and we've been traveling so much. You just wish you could get in there brain and flip the switch from "I'm scared" to "I'm ok!". hugging


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Re: Separation Anxiety [Re: BowWowMeow] #257233
10/21/12 11:16 PM
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Thank you guys, it's hard.

I'm sorry Ruth that Rafi is having a hard time too frown

Yes Mary Jane, it's a very primal fear. People don't undertand, but using the word survival is perfect. At least I left through the garage door and not the front door, it will be awhile before it gets fixed.

So back to square one.

She cannot be left alone unless it's during our training. If I start now, I have about 2 months of daycare, and a month of semester break to get her better for next term. During break, I can dramatically reduce daycare, and during the cooler months, I can condition her the crate in the car.

I am starting today, leaving the room for periods of time while she is in the crate. I was not able to do that when she first got here, so I guess that is something.

I pulled out Indy's camping crate so she would have more room. I can't believe how long she is. She doesn't need the height, but the floor works perfect.

Questions: would you leave her alone with a new long bully stick, and for how long? I feel comfortable leaving the house for a few minutes, but not sure how long I would stretch that. Maybe it depends on how long it takes her to make it really short.



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Re: Separation Anxiety [Re: MaxaLisa] #257240
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When I first adopted Rafi and discovered the SA one of the owners of a local pet store gave me a huge, smelly, real bone for him. I gave him to him, went out for 2 hours and came home to find that he had eaten the entire bone and shredded the crate pad. I think that he was so anxious that he couldn't stop chewing. Later, he didn't feel so great. sick

So, the answer is...don't leave her too long of a bully stick. Can you cut it into smaller pieces?

p.s. Nowadays, when Rafi's SA flares up it just means that he drools while I'm gone and is very fussy when I get home. He isn't destructive or anything, thank goodness!


Ruth

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Re: Separation Anxiety [Re: MaxaLisa] #257241
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Originally Posted By: MaxaLisa

So back to square one.

I pulled out Indy's camping crate so she would have more room. I can't believe how long she is. She doesn't need the height, but the floor works perfect.

Questions: would you leave her alone with a new long bully stick, and for how long? I feel comfortable leaving the house for a few minutes, but not sure how long I would stretch that. Maybe it depends on how long it takes her to make it really short.


Lisa, have you ever thought of putting a camera up and recording her behavior while you are gone? This way you may be able to figure out her threshold of when she gets nervous and then fearful. There may also be some clues as to what may set her off? Just a thought. This may give you some insight and direction on how to help her best.


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Re: Separation Anxiety [Re: TimberWolf] #257243
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Ruth, the chewing anxiety thing, Jazz does the same thing. I used to think she was chewing because she enjoyed it so much, but it really turned out to be an outlet for the anxiety.

I guess when I get to the point where I can leave her for more than minutes at a time, I will then switch to something Kong-like.

Elvi, I think I will have to set a recorder when I start leaving her for more than 30 seconds at a time. I wish I had something fancy that I could remotely watch from my phone. How hard would that be to set up with the laptop? Anyone know? Of course, having a blackberry which nobody supports might be an issue too.


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