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Havoc officially has allergies and I am thinking of a homecooked diet for him. I am looking for resources for ingredients and novel proteins. I am at least going to try to make his training treats at home instead of using kibble.

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Re: Homecooking Resources? [Re: Kayos] #24480
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There are some resources people posted when I started cooking for Raya.

http://www.germanshepherdhome.net/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=17928&page=1


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Re: Homecooking Resources? [Re: Wisc.Tiger_Val] #24500
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currently all i am learning to cook is chicken and rice in a crock pot, lol, but I can tell you it seems to be a hit! wink

lots of luck getting him back on an itch free track! smile


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Re: Homecooking Resources? [Re: Kayos] #24516
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I like Monica Segal's approach and she has a little booklet that explains it in more detail, http://www.monicasegal.com/catalog/product.php?cPath=25_26&products_id=72

Basically the first step is to identify 1 novel protein and 1 novel carb- novel means that it has never been fed before in any form. Can you identify two novel ingredients for Havoc that are accessible and affordable?


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Re: Homecooking Resources? [Re: Natalie559] #24532
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We are doing duck and potatoes and thanks for the link to Monica Segal.

Last edited by Kayos; 03/26/10 05:25 PM.

Kathy

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Re: Homecooking Resources? [Re: Kayos] #24537
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There's a sticky about Homecooking in the general nutrition forum, it has just a bit of info though.


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Re: Homecooking Resources? [Re: MaxaLisa] #24551
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I found some good links in the Sticky Lisa is talking about.


Val da Tiger

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Have you fed duck and potato before or is it new for him? Your other thread mentioned royal canine kibble. One of the possible issues with elimination kibble diets is that there are MANY ingredients other than, in your example, duck and potato. There is a possibility of reaction to anything, even something so seemingly small as the type of vitamin or mineral the kibble is supplemented with. It is a place to start though and hopefully Havoc will do superb on it!


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You may want to try petdiets.com (part of UC Davis, I believe)

They can do a nutritional anaysis (you fill out a lenghty form, they get vet records too). I believe it is $250

They will tell you the best foods for your dog (commercial, home, raw, etc.) and even have home cooked recipies you can buy for a modest fee (10$) and even sell the supplements to put it in the food.

We did that about 2 years ago and used it for Siena quite successfully. She started on Royal Canin and never did well on it.

If you need more info, let me know. It was originally recommended by our vet as I refused to have Siena eat Hills or Eukanuba (which she highly recommended...why??)


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Before paying someone to help with a diet, I would want to know what their general philosophies are. Do they beleieve in grain free? Raw? How flexible are they in the diets that they create?

When I took Indy off of kibble I paid some intenist at one of the premiere clinics in town who had studied nutrition over at UCD to develop a diet for Indy. It was the worst diet in the world for her. That's when I got on Monica Segal's yahoo list and figured out on my own what to feed her.

I think you can worry too much about balance, so much that you you are paralized about naking the right step, which is essentially to get off kibble.

With the extensive allergies, any kibble diet is essentially unbalanced anyway, so it's not like you are moving from an ideal food, or even one that is necessarily healthy for that individual dog.

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Originally Posted By: MaxaLisa
Before paying someone to help with a diet, I would want to know what their general philosophies are. Do they beleieve in grain free? Raw? How flexible are they in the diets that they create?

When I took Indy off of kibble I paid some intenist at one of the premiere clinics in town who had studied nutrition over at UCD to develop a diet for Indy. It was the worst diet in the world for her. That's when I got on Monica Segal's yahoo list and figured out on my own what to feed her.

I think you can worry too much about balance, so much that you you are paralized about naking the right step, which is essentially to get off kibble.

With the extensive allergies, any kibble diet is essentially unbalanced anyway, so it's not like you are moving from an ideal food, or even one that is necessarily healthy for that individual dog.


In my case, petdiets were ok with grain free and when one recommendation didn't work, I wrote the vet and they gave me an alternative meat. In Siena's case, due to intestinal, every vet we have ever gone to with her(4) all recommended against RAW for her specifically at this time, but possibly down the road (if we can ever get her under control fully), and even two of them were proponents of raw feeding and did so to their dog, so I know at least two were unbiased. One I think was ignorance (the one who pushed the vet marketed ones) and who knows aobut the other.

It is an excellent suggestion, however, so thanks for mentioning it smile


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I don't feed raw either, but I think knowing whether or not they would formulate such a diet tells you something about who they are as a nutritionist.

I'm glad that it work well for Sienna. The one thing I always learn in the Health Forums, is how variable everything is!


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http://www.afreshperspectivedogtraining.com/ , and click on the bottom left button to download pdf on homecooked diet these trainers advocate. I wonder what you all think about it.

They swear it works, and I've seen their and their clients' dogs who were pictures of health on this diet.

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Hey thanks everyone!


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Originally Posted By: GSD07
http://www.afreshperspectivedogtraining.com/ , and click on the bottom left button to download pdf on homecooked diet these trainers advocate. I wonder what you all think about it.

They swear it works, and I've seen their and their clients' dogs who were pictures of health on this diet.


I can't open it with my phone, hope I remember to look later!


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I bookmarked everyone of these for later reading! Some good sites. Thanks.

Oksana, is that trainer nearby to you? I see the 505 area code and the terrain and wondered if there is someone new around.


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Originally Posted By: GSD07
http://www.afreshperspectivedogtraining.com/ , and click on the bottom left button to download pdf on homecooked diet these trainers advocate. I wonder what you all think about it.

They swear it works, and I've seen their and their clients' dogs who were pictures of health on this diet.


I have two main responses.

It's a homeprepared diet of good food with variety for balance and dogs should do very well on it. There is absolutely no comparison to a kibble diet, very very different things. If all our dogs were raised on a diet like this, I wouldn't have learned so much on health boards over the years frown



Now the critical part, I do think it's still too high in carbs but maybe that's because I have dogs that do so much better without them, I think that the protein sources are bit limiting (lean pork can be a good option!), and I'm not a fan of a few of things on there, like the rawhide, safflower oil, and kinda question the milk. I'm also wondering a bit about the calcium balance, but the lower protein and other stuff might kinda balance that out.

The only other dog on the court here that seems to be long-lived and doing well is the only other one that is fed a homecooked diet. She eats what the owners eat, no supplements have ever been added. She's a Yorkie, just turned 14.


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Lisa, thanks for your feedback! I think if this diet provides a good foundation then some things can be modified to suit a particular dog.

Kathy, those trainers were here for years working with the Human society, that's where I met them, and not long after that they moved to Albuquerque. So no, there is no fresh perspective in dog training around here, unfortunately. frown

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Ah 505..... I knew it was familiar. My hubby's family is in NM. You guys are 509.


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Originally Posted By: GSD07
Lisa, thanks for your feedback! I think if this diet provides a good foundation then some things can be modified to suit a particular dog.


I agree.


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