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Re: My Max's Dental Cleaning Appointment [Re: TimberWolf] #216061
02/29/12 02:46 AM
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I was thinking good thoughts earlier, just didn't have a chance to post.

I definitely agree on a joint supplement. The good thing is that you don't see all sorts of gnarly bone growth in there.

I don't agree that high protein will cause weight gain. Think Atkins diet. Higher protein creates lean muscle, high grain usually is what puts weight on.

Clindamycin - very potent, definitely do probiotics!


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Re: My Max's Dental Cleaning Appointment [Re: Wisc.Tiger_Val] #216071
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Originally Posted By: Wisc.Tiger_Val
If you are not I would put Max on a joint supplement.


Good idea. Thanks Val


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Re: My Max's Dental Cleaning Appointment [Re: BowWowMeow] #216074
02/29/12 03:16 AM
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Originally Posted By: BowWowMeow
Glad the dental went well! This is what I do for HD:

Springtime Inc. Joint Health and/or Longevity (Rafi gets a triple dose)
2220mg Ester C/day (work up to it gradually)
Omega 3-6-9 capsules

Swimming and long walks are great for joints.


Where do you get the Springtime Joint Health Supplement. I checked Swansons and the Discount Vitamin online stores and was not able to find it there. Is the Ester C to bring inflammation down? Thank you so much for these suggestions.


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Re: My Max's Dental Cleaning Appointment [Re: TimberWolf] #216075
02/29/12 03:20 AM
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I'll throw something to think about out to you. I call bs on what your vet is telling you. I know opinions opinions, but he wants you to bring your dog in yearly for a dental!! Makes sense he wouldn't like raw diet.

I've had mine on raw for 3yrs (approx). Read so much I almost psyched myself out thinking I could never get the right ratios etc. Get a current wt on Max, get the correct amounts figured to feed & then weigh your meat. Try it! You can do it use www.Rawdogranch.com for help.
*I've got mine in their correct weight now. That includes losing weight in my overweight female & gaining weight in my scrawny males. So I disagree with the vet there. Also, none of mine have had dentals & their vet is happy with their teeth!

That said if you really do not want to feed a raw diet, I do agree that a nice bone to gnaw on will help those teeth!

One more thing, my Mikko has HD--he's 8 & was/is on glucosamine. He was pretty bad & hobbling at times & they put him on Rimadyl (he would have flare ups where it really bothered him.
Since he's been on raw, I swear, he's not had any problems. I still give liquid glucosamine on his raw food (vit E & salmon oil). I do keep him on the thin side also since I read that was a good idea for HD.
I know each dog is probably different, but just really felt like telling you I've had really good(great) results with the opposite of what your vet is suggesting to you.
Good luck to you & Max! laugh

Re: My Max's Dental Cleaning Appointment [Re: MaxaLisa] #216076
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Originally Posted By: MaxaLisa
I was thinking good thoughts earlier, just didn't have a chance to post.

I definitely agree on a joint supplement. The good thing is that you don't see all sorts of gnarly bone growth in there.

I don't agree that high protein will cause weight gain. Think Atkins diet. Higher protein creates lean muscle, high grain usually is what puts weight on.

Clindamycin - very potent, definitely do probiotics!


Thanks for the good thoughts. Mucho appreciation for it. I am going to get a joint supplement as it was recommended here. Already have the Omega 3-6-9 from Garden of Life. It is human strength though but should be ok (I hope).

I am relieved that there is hardly any arthritis in the affected area..so whew. Will continue with the probiotic. Poor Max, after all this he will have to swallow a medicine cabinet worth of pills but if that is what it takes..then so be it.

Yeah, the protein comment by the Vet didn't make sense to me either. I think it is just that he is totally against my switching Max to raw so he thought he had a convincing way for me to change my mind.

So, how DO I give him all these supplements? Spread out throughout the day or all at once? I take my supplements spread out and that works fine for me but I know dogs are different. I figure maybe I could split them 50/50...ah...I'll figure it out.

Tomorrow, I am getting some chicken drumbs and start on the transition. Will see how he can tolerate it. Will remove the skin though.

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Re: My Max's Dental Cleaning Appointment [Re: Furonthefloor] #216079
02/29/12 03:32 AM
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Originally Posted By: Furonthefloor
I'll throw something to think about out to you. I call bs on what your vet is telling you. I know opinions opinions, but he wants you to bring your dog in yearly for a dental!! Makes sense he wouldn't like raw diet.

One more thing, my Mikko has HD--he's 8 & was/is on glucosamine. He was pretty bad & hobbling at times & they put him on Rimadyl (he would have flare ups where it really bothered him.
Since he's been on raw, I swear, he's not had any problems. I still give liquid glucosamine on his raw food (vit E & salmon oil). I do keep him on the thin side also since I read that was a good idea for HD.
I know each dog is probably different, but just really felt like telling you I've had really good(great) results with the opposite of what your vet is suggesting to you.
Good luck to you & Max! laugh


Max weighs 77 pounds right now. The Vet wants him to go down to 70. Thank you so much for your encouragement. Even the Vet tech kept on saying:" I wouldn't do that". I don't understand why they are so against Raw feeding. I have heard so many good reports and yours is one more. To me, it is worth the try. Max is 8, too. That is amazing to hear Mikko has not had any flare-up. So encouraging. Thanks.


...in remembrance of all Timber Wolves unjustifyably hunted down and killed for no valid reason at all.
Re: My Max's Dental Cleaning Appointment [Re: TimberWolf] #216090
02/29/12 04:28 AM
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Springtime is an online vendor.

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Re: My Max's Dental Cleaning Appointment [Re: Woodreb] #216133
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Thank you Johanna. I bookmarked the page and will check it out later.


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Re: My Max's Dental Cleaning Appointment [Re: TimberWolf] #216142
02/29/12 01:50 PM
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Johanna, how long does the container of Longevity last for you at $45 for 1.4lb?


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Re: My Max's Dental Cleaning Appointment [Re: TimberWolf] #216153
02/29/12 02:34 PM
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I'm not sure because I usually take advantage of the specials - like the buy 2 - 6 lb buckets and get one free. It seems that 3 - 6 lb buckets lasts me well over a year for 2 dogs. I give a dose to Caleb even though he has no evidence of hip problems at the recommendation of his breeder.

I would assume that Max would need 2 scoops per day at a minimum (assuming he's more than 40 pounds) and that works out to about 40 days for the 1.4 lb container. If you could swing the price for buying 2 of the 1.4 pound containers with the third one free you'd have enough for about 4 months.

Another one that I've used and Aodhán did well on when she was alive is Joint Max . If you order this through the affiliate links that Val has here - affiliate links then you can also help support the forum.


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Re: My Max's Dental Cleaning Appointment [Re: Woodreb] #216228
02/29/12 08:17 PM
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The 1.4 pound container doesn't last very long if you're doubling or tripling the dose. I always buy the big containers.


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Re: My Max's Dental Cleaning Appointment [Re: BowWowMeow] #216236
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Originally Posted By: BowWowMeow
The 1.4 pound container doesn't last very long if you're doubling or tripling the dose. I always buy the big containers.


Looks like I will have to look for another alternative. This is a bit too expensive for us especially if the 1.4 pounds don't last long enough. Max is 77 pounds right now but his optimal weight apparently is 70. More than likely I would have to give more than just one scoop. Why do these people make this stuff so expensive? That's crazy.


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Re: My Max's Dental Cleaning Appointment [Re: TimberWolf] #216237
02/29/12 09:18 PM
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It's not that expensive if you do the buy 2, get 1 free deal.

One of the 6 pound containers lasts Rafi about 6 months. He gets a double dose each day. You could start with the Advanced Hip & Joint Formula. I'm giving that to Rafi in addition to the Longevity. They have a buy 2, get 2 free deal on those. Rafi gets 4 a day but even if you gave 6 a day it would only be 90 cents a day (if you bought 2 of the 180 counts). http://www.springtimeinc.com/product/advanced-hip-and-joint-chewables/dogs

Supplements are definitely expensive but they make a big difference.


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http://www.dogster.com/dogs/693238

Varda & Gio (the crazy cattens)
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Chama
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Re: My Max's Dental Cleaning Appointment [Re: BowWowMeow] #216251
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Originally Posted By: BowWowMeow
It's not that expensive if you do the buy 2, get 1 free deal.

One of the 6 pound containers lasts Rafi about 6 months. He gets a double dose each day. You could start with the Advanced Hip & Joint Formula. I'm giving that to Rafi in addition to the Longevity. They have a buy 2, get 2 free deal on those. Rafi gets 4 a day but even if you gave 6 a day it would only be 90 cents a day (if you bought 2 of the 180 counts). http://www.springtimeinc.com/product/advanced-hip-and-joint-chewables/dogs

Supplements are definitely expensive but they make a big difference.


Wait! That's weird!! The prices I looked at were $270.00 THAT's expensive. The prices I see using your link buying 2 jars of 60 getting 2 free for $48 is totally affordable. Thank you. I am sure Longevity is more potent but for now I think the Advanced Hip and Joint will be ok. If not, I can re-group. Thanks.


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Re: My Max's Dental Cleaning Appointment [Re: TimberWolf] #216257
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If you can afford it I would the two jars of 180 and then you get 2 free. That's $108 and will last you 4 months if you give 6 per day. You might even be able to give 5 per day.

Longevity has a ton of stuff in it so it's more expensive. Rafi actually gets both Longevity and the other one.


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http://www.dogster.com/dogs/693238

Varda & Gio (the crazy cattens)
...............
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Chama
Kai
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