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My Max's Dental Cleaning Appointment #214874
02/23/12 06:22 PM
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So, next Tuesday, Max is scheduled for a dental cleaning, x-rays and blood work and I am freaking out because he will have to be under anesthesia. I have heard that it is a risk to put a dog under total anesthesia.

I would appreciate your sharing your experience with your dog's dental procedures/cleaning/anesthesia and any advise you may have regarding prior or after care or questions I should ask the Vet. Max is 8 years old.

Thanks

I hope I have this in the right forum this time.


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Re: My Max's Dental Cleaning Appointment [Re: TimberWolf] #214878
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I have never had a problem with any dog or any of my cats either. There is a risk with everyting but you need to weigh them. What will be the consequence of dental disease? If there are any evident issues with the bloodwork or sign of illness they will not put him under.

Thankfully, most dogs only need dentals every so often. Havoc had his first one at 4.5 and only because he needed xrays of his shoulders and I figured I would just have it done as it would need to be done within a year anyway and it saved a trip to the vet and anesthesia.

They say feeding raw substantially reduces the numebr of needed dentals. I do not feed raw so can't tell you if that is true. I think my dogs have dentals about every 4 years to 5 years. Kayos did not need one til she was 6, she will probably get another one next year and that might be all she ever needs. My old Max needed one every 2 years. Havoc could have gone 5 years I think.


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Re: My Max's Dental Cleaning Appointment [Re: Kayos] #214885
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A couple things, I always have the dogs pre-tested for anesthesia. If I am worried about vWd (von Willebrand's disease) http://www.vet.uga.edu/vpp/clerk/anderson/index.php Then I will have them Pre-tested.

There are risks, but there are also risks to not having some surgeries. Cheyenne had her first dental at 5 or 6 years old. She had another last year when she had a broken tooth.


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Re: My Max's Dental Cleaning Appointment [Re: Wisc.Tiger_Val] #214889
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Kathy, I am not sure I wouldn't mess up feeding my dogs raw. Have thought about it before but I am so clueless as to how to go about it including adding the right supplements, etc. I guess I am a chicken because I am afraid I am going to mess up and hurt my babies not feeding them correctly. Thank you for the reassurance that Max should be ok. Thank you so much.

Val, this is exactly the kind of specific info I need. They will be doing a blood test, so I am going to ask if they will check for a bleeding disorder. Max has had blood tests before but I am not sure they included this particular element. Thank you so much.


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Re: My Max's Dental Cleaning Appointment [Re: TimberWolf] #214894
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Aodhán had a few dentals over the years and never had a problems with them. But I never really liked having them done because of the sedation.

When Caleb was about a year old (so almost 2 years ago) I started given both of them one chicken leg a day after their evening meal. Their main diet was a grain-free kibble at the time. At Aodhán's next annuals visit after I did that, my vet looked at her teeth and said they looked great - no need for a cleaning. So you might be able to get away with doing something like that and feed mainly kibble. I don't think the one chicken leg a day horribly unbalances the diet.


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Re: My Max's Dental Cleaning Appointment [Re: Woodreb] #214898
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Originally Posted By: Woodreb
I started given both of them one chicken leg a day after their evening meal. Their main diet was a grain-free kibble at the time. At Aodhán's next annuals visit after I did that, my vet looked at her teeth and said they looked great - no need for a cleaning. So you might be able to get away with doing something like that and feed mainly kibble. I don't think the one chicken leg a day horribly unbalances the diet.


That sounds doable. Thanks. Did your dogs get diarrhea at first? Max's stomach is very sensitive and gets disturbed very easily. Did you give him just the leg bone or the bone with the meat and skin on it? I could try it using maybe 1/2 leg to start out with and see where that goes. I feed a grain free kibble as well and it seems to agree with my crew of three but that stuff just sticks on the teeth. That can't be good for the teeth.


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Re: My Max's Dental Cleaning Appointment [Re: TimberWolf] #214905
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Actually I started them with chicken wings, bone, meat and skin. I figured I'd start with something small to see how they did and tolerated it. Fortunately for me, neither Caleb or Aodhán had problems with sensitive stomach.

I believe that when I first started to do the legs, I took the skin off and gave them the meat and bone. When I saw they had no issues with that, I just gave them the whole leg - they usually amounted to about 5-6 ounces of meat and bone.

Maybe you could try wings and remove as much of the skin as possible as a starter?


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Re: My Max's Dental Cleaning Appointment [Re: TimberWolf] #214906
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I would start feeding maybe chicken drum sticks if you are looking for something smaller than quarters and feed them partially frozen. That will help make sure your dog chews the bone. I actually hand held leg quarters for a bit when I transitioned my dogs to raw when they were 2 (7.5 years old now and never have had a dental).


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Re: My Max's Dental Cleaning Appointment [Re: TimberWolf] #214909
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Originally Posted By: LMS

Val, this is exactly the kind of specific info I need. They will be doing a blood test, so I am going to ask if they will check for a bleeding disorder. Max has had blood tests before but I am not sure they included this particular element. Thank you so much.


They normally don't test for vWD unless you ask for it, or they have concerns and are testing for it to rule it out. It is important that you do ask about the vWD factor before any surgeries are performed. My Jarie has vWD and I found out the hard way.

Other then that, I have never had any problems during or after any dentals performed on any of mine. I have 2 of mine going in next month too.

Re: My Max's Dental Cleaning Appointment [Re: TMarie] #214936
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Wow, you guys really inspire me to try this. I think I am going to try the wings and drumb sticks....one at the time..wait a day and see and if all is well, continue. I am going to do the same with my other two. I know they will enjoy this.

TMarie, I am going to have time to talk to the Vet tech on Tuesday when I drop him off and will tell them and will make sure they run the test. Thank you. I knew it was a good thing for me to post. This is so very helpful. Who knows..if the chicken stuff goes well I may try to venture out to more very slowly and learn as I go. Will see. So, I will try to find some specials. I am excited now. Thank you again for all of your help.


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Re: My Max's Dental Cleaning Appointment [Re: TimberWolf] #214948
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Has he ever had surgery before? That always makes me feel better.

This might help: http://ahdc.vet.cornell.edu/clinpath/modules/coags/bmbt.htm

Re: My Max's Dental Cleaning Appointment [Re: JeanKBBMMMAAN] #214962
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Originally Posted By: JeanKBBMMMAAN
Has he ever had surgery before? That always makes me feel better. This might help: http://ahdc.vet.cornell.edu/clinpath/modules/coags/bmbt.htm


The only serious procedure he has had was heartworm treatment but that did not require surgery. I don't remember if they did a blood test for that though. He had it done right after we adopted him several years ago. And he is neutered. So I guess that would have been the only surgery he had while he still was at the shelter. I have done other blood panels the first two years he has been with us because he came to us with many parasites and I wanted to be sure he recovered correctly. That, too has been several years ago, so I don't know if they checked for blot clotting potential but all tests came out good at those times. Thank you for the link Jean. This is very interesting. I have never heard of this before so I am glad and relieved it was mentioned here. I will definitely request them running that test to be sure.


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Re: My Max's Dental Cleaning Appointment [Re: TimberWolf] #215008
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I found that some raw beef bones every week would keep their teeth clean so that they didn't need dentals. One of mine had pancreas issues and the raw did bother her slightly, but giving a digestive enzyme with the bone helped that.


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Re: My Max's Dental Cleaning Appointment [Re: MaxaLisa] #215047
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Originally Posted By: MaxaLisa
I found that some raw beef bones every week would keep their teeth clean so that they didn't need dentals. One of mine had pancreas issues and the raw did bother her slightly, but giving a digestive enzyme with the bone helped that.


What kind of digestive enzyme. He has been using a pro-biotic for his digestive issues and that seems to do very well. Can you recommend a good enzyme? Would that show up on a blood test? Thanks for your input.


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Re: My Max's Dental Cleaning Appointment [Re: TimberWolf] #215069
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For a GSD, the pancreatic insufficiency, EPI, can be tested for. Well, any dog, just very common in GSD!

My girl Indy used to get flairs of pancreatitis. It only showed in her bloodwork during a flair. I just noticed, when she was young, the enzymes made her better, so she got them most of her life. Later in her life I even had to add a second type.

This is the one that worked for her:
http://m.vitacost.com/mt/www.vitacost.com/Jarrow-Formulas-Jarro-Zymes-Plus/?pid=23392&xVE=%2fJarrow-Formulas-Jarro-Zymes-Plus


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