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Re: SPOON! The Tick [Re: PositiveDog] #198640
12/12/11 01:00 AM
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LOL. Yeah, "The Tick" was a weird cartoon. smile


~Jamie~
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Re: SPOON! The Tick [Re: DancingCavy] #198806
12/12/11 05:07 PM
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CRAP!

Just found out that our vet no longer does tick submissions. It seems Cornell no longer tests ticks for the diseases they carry. Our other vet's tick submission test will only determine how long the tick has been on your dog, not what it carries. Looks like my only option is to wait 6 weeks and run a tick panel.

Not happy. But what other choice do I have?


~Jamie~
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Re: SPOON! The Tick [Re: DancingCavy] #198812
12/12/11 05:39 PM
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The other choice is not optimal either - propjylactic doxy.

Be sure to mark your calendar - today's date, and again in 6 weeks frown


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Re: SPOON! The Tick [Re: MaxaLisa] #198891
12/12/11 11:49 PM
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I already made a note on the white board. Will be making one on my calendar later tonight.

Doubt I could convince my vet to do prophylactic doxy. Besides, if I have to do doxy at all, it would probably be better to do it in January. Hopefully she'll be off her herbs by then and I won't have to worry about possible interaction.


~Jamie~
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Re: SPOON! The Tick [Re: DancingCavy] #198937
12/13/11 02:12 AM
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I have pulled so many ticks off The Barker Sisters down here. The first one freaked me out but the vet didn't want to see it. Since then, I've gotten less squeemish about them. There's one spray for horses that is effective in detering ticks but I don't know about dogs. Didn't have much luck with them on the BSs. No detected tick borne diseases & I hope it stays that way. May you have the same luck.

Re: SPOON! The Tick [Re: middleofnowhere] #199049
12/13/11 02:55 PM
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Thanks, middle. I hope she's fine too but you can't be too cautious with ticks. Times like this, I really miss Montana. Didn't have to worry about this sort of thing out there!


~Jamie~
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Re: SPOON! The Tick [Re: DancingCavy] #199123
12/13/11 10:33 PM
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Jamie,
Before I spent some time in SW Oregon, the only place I ever got a dog tick on a dog was in Billings, MT!

Re: SPOON! The Tick [Re: middleofnowhere] #199144
12/14/11 12:07 AM
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Really!? Wow. I lived in Billings and it wasn't until I moved to CT and NY that I had to worry about bugs at all!


~Jamie~
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Re: SPOON! The Tick [Re: DancingCavy] #199175
12/14/11 02:43 AM
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I lived in NE Oregon for my youth - never even knew what a flea looked like.

Ticks? Yeah, was always pulling them off me and my horses


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Re: SPOON! The Tick [Re: Barb E] #207628
01/23/12 05:21 PM
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Today I took Risa in to get her tick test blood draw. I even still had the tick so I brought it with me. (I hadn't meant to keep it. I had placed it in the garage on a table and it got knocked to the floor during the last 6 weeks. I found it a week ago and decided I might as well bring it along.) Unfortunately, it was not a dog tick as I thought (can't trust the Internet for everything). It actually was a deer tick. But, it was not fully engorged so that's a good sign.

Hopefully her test will come back clear. If not, then a round of doxy's in our future.


~Jamie~
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Re: SPOON! The Tick [Re: DancingCavy] #207635
01/23/12 06:07 PM
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Wow. That was quick. Got results already.

They called me back because they weren't sure why I'd had the heartworm/tick test run again so soon (she had it done in July at her annual). When I mentioned it was because I found a tick on Risa, the person I spoke with was a bit more concerned about the test results which, she had initially stated, were negative. Apparently, there was a very very faint amount of dye on the Lyme portion of the test. frown

She spoke with our vet and then called me back. Our vet doesn't want to do doxy jic (I asked) because she really doesn't like to prescribe it unless it's absolutely needed. She also does not want to have to give doxy to Risa at all if it can be avoided given Risa's history of gastrointestinal problems (and I know doxy is hard on the gut). So she recommended we do a more sensitive test for tick-borne diseases in 4 weeks. I expressed some concern in waiting longer still but the vet does not feel 4 weeks will make much of a difference.

I did mention my concern over the possibility that Risa may be experiencing some joint discomfort as well. I have seen her licking her elbows/knees a bit more frequently and she seems to fall into a walk rather than a trot when we're out on walks more often. I initially attributed it to colder weather but I cannot be certain. Especially with the mild winter we have had. Knowing I found a tick on her, I want to be sure it's not something more than 'old age' and 'the cold' bothering her.

So, if nothing else, we wait for another 4 weeks to do another test and go from there.


~Jamie~
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Re: SPOON! The Tick [Re: DancingCavy] #207663
01/23/12 07:45 PM
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Nothing like an ambiguous test result to keep the anxiety level up. Hope it's not Lyme. frown Keeping my fingers crossed for Risa.


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Re: SPOON! The Tick [Re: DancingCavy] #207683
01/23/12 08:41 PM
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Originally Posted By: DancingCavy
When I mentioned it was because I found a tick on Risa, the person I spoke with was a bit more concerned about the test results which, she had initially stated, were negative. Apparently, there was a very very faint amount of dye on the Lyme portion of the test.


http://www.idexx.com/view/xhtml/en_us/smallanimal/inhouse/snap/4dx.jsf?SSOTOKEN=0

From the Idexx 4DX FAQ:
Question: I ran the SNAP 4Dx Test and received a light positive on the (heartworm, E. canis, or Lyme) spot. Does the color intensity of the spot mean anything?

Answer: Any color development in any of the sample spots indicates a positive result. The amount of antigen or antibody produced by individual dogs differs. So itís not possible to correlate the color intensity of the sample spot and the level of infection. Keep in mind that every dog is different.


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Re: SPOON! The Tick [Re: LJsMom] #207753
01/23/12 11:29 PM
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Well, the person I talked too wasn't sure if perhaps someone accidentally dropped some dye into the Lyme spot resulting in a false positive. Personally, I'm with you. If it comes up even a little bit. . .it's a positive.

Now to consider calling back and 'disputing' it or just waiting the four weeks and doing a re-test to be sure. I really don't want to put Ris on antibiotics if I don't have to either. Especially since I've finally gotten her gut somewhat balanced.

No matter what, if I start her on doxy, I need to talk to her holistic vet first to make sure I don't have to make any alterations to her current treatment plan.


~Jamie~
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Re: SPOON! The Tick [Re: DancingCavy] #207754
01/23/12 11:35 PM
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Originally Posted By: DancingCavy
Wow. That was quick. Got results already.

They called me back because they weren't sure why I'd had the heartworm/tick test run again so soon (she had it done in July at her annual). When I mentioned it was because I found a tick on Risa, the person I spoke with was a bit more concerned about the test results which, she had initially stated, were negative. Apparently, there was a very very faint amount of dye on the Lyme portion of the test. frown

She spoke with our vet and then called me back. Our vet doesn't want to do doxy jic (I asked) because she really doesn't like to prescribe it unless it's absolutely needed. She also does not want to have to give doxy to Risa at all if it can be avoided given Risa's history of gastrointestinal problems (and I know doxy is hard on the gut). So she recommended we do a more sensitive test for tick-borne diseases in 4 weeks. I expressed some concern in waiting longer still but the vet does not feel 4 weeks will make much of a difference.

I did mention my concern over the possibility that Risa may be experiencing some joint discomfort as well. I have seen her licking her elbows/knees a bit more frequently and she seems to fall into a walk rather than a trot when we're out on walks more often. I initially attributed it to colder weather but I cannot be certain. Especially with the mild winter we have had. Knowing I found a tick on her, I want to be sure it's not something more than 'old age' and 'the cold' bothering her.

So, if nothing else, we wait for another 4 weeks to do another test and go from there.


I am going to be blunt here.

Your vet is putting your dog in danger.

Risa's GI problems could very well be from Lyme, and often doxy helps with gut problems. Max is the perfect example of this (though he does have a harder time with tablets than capsules).

A faint amount of dye means that Risa tested POSITIVE FOR LYME. Further testing is warranted, and considering Risa's symptoms, I would treat regardless.

Please do not wait another 4 weeks and allow this to go even more chronic. It can further suppress the immune system, still be infected, but then no longer get a postive on the test while the infection drives deeper. Then you have a dog that is slowly getting sicker and sicker, and then the vet will say that they don't know why.

I do not know why vets suspend logic when they don't know how to read the instructions for the test, and put their clients in further danger. This is one of those WTF moments that just drives me absolutely bonkers. I have no patience for this because it not only affects quality of life, but, if it goes to the kidneys, can also be fatal.

You are Risa's advocate.....so advocate.

Last edited by MaxaLisa; 01/23/12 11:39 PM.

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