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Re: ultrasound for the heart?/Strategy Session [Re: bianca] #160467
06/09/11 12:38 AM
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Thanks, just hanging out for a bit before we have to get ready to go. Only a bit nervous at this point!


MaxaL (aka LisaT)

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Re: ultrasound for the heart?/Strategy Session [Re: MaxaLisa] #160500
06/09/11 03:21 AM
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Re: ultrasound for the heart?/Strategy Session [Re: Barb E] #160511
06/09/11 03:46 AM
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The u/s was delayed for about 1/2 hour or so - accident on the road delayed the guy. I tried again to ask for a sneak peak of the heart, since they said no, I okayed the chest xrays, w/o anesthesia.

Just waiting now. Guess I'm waiting to hear that I just spent a bunch of money for nothing. Funny the way that works.

Will update when I get home.


MaxaL (aka LisaT)

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Re: ultrasound for the heart?/Strategy Session [Re: MaxaLisa] #160516
06/09/11 03:51 AM
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smile Sometimes there is nothing better than spending a bunch of money for nothing!!

*Fingers and paws crossed in the E house*


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Re: ultrasound for the heart?/Strategy Session [Re: Barb E] #160528
06/09/11 06:31 AM
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You're right Barb!

Well, they didn't really find anything, which is good.

The ultrasound, I have been giving him gas-x for the last two days so that they get a good look at everything (he usually has too much gas), and they did find a larger spleen, which they said was a bit smaller than the last time, and GSDs tend to have larger spleens and it is within that. All the organs, etc. look fine.

He does however, have small adrenals. So small, that they couldn't be visualized. His regular vet had thought that maybe some of his issues are metabolic, and that makes me wonder a bit. The ultrasound vet said that small adrenals are good (they don't like large), but I"m not so sure they are good in this instance, so it might be a clue. I did find some weird things with bladder and pelvic pain associated with small adrenals in cats....

The xrays, nothing major. There might be something there, but she thinks it's mostly aging. She's going to have the radiologist look at them and probably talk to me tomorrow.

So. Overall very good news, a lot of stuff ruled out. He still doesn't feel any better, but I have much less of a sense of doom than I did just a bit ago!


MaxaL (aka LisaT)

Jazmine, mini-mix, 10/18/2011
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Max, 5/2001-2/2012, RIP my partner, my Regal Boy
Indy, 5/1997-10/2010, RIP my friend, my teacher

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Re: ultrasound for the heart?/Strategy Session [Re: MaxaLisa] #160532
06/09/11 06:50 AM
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hugging So glad to hear that everything seems to be lookin' good!!! Will be interested to hear what you find out about the small adrenal glands!!!


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Re: ultrasound for the heart?/Strategy Session [Re: arycrest] #160537
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Thank you Gayle! I'm hoping to figure more about this adrenal thing too. I don't know if it's related, but it would explain a lot, particularly his issues with the thryoid and non-responsiveness, to some degree, of thyroid meds.

I did find this blurb from 2008 about the guy that did Max's ultrasound:

Quote:
Mr. Tom Baker is the Chief Ultrasonographer at the University of
California, Davis Veterinary Medicine Teaching Hospital. Mr. Baker
has been teaching and performing small animal ultrasound exams
for the last 19 years. Mr. Baker is respected as one of the most
experienced sonographers on the west coast. He has traveled the
world assisting the Smithsonian on research projects that involve the
ultrasonography of exotic and endangered animals.


the vet that spoke with me, mentioned that "not even Tom" could find the adrenals.

It could also be, that there isn't a name or a "known" disease process happening here, just an imbalance of some sort.


MaxaL (aka LisaT)

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Max, 5/2001-2/2012, RIP my partner, my Regal Boy
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Re: ultrasound for the heart?/Strategy Session [Re: MaxaLisa] #160546
06/09/11 10:01 AM
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I'm very glad there were no zebras ... hugging to you and Max. Looks like you had the best in the business looking at Max so that means a lot.


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Re: ultrasound for the heart?/Strategy Session [Re: Qyn] #160555
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That is good news! Are there any further tests/investigations to determine what the adrenal thing means to Max?


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Re: ultrasound for the heart?/results [Re: bianca] #160620
06/09/11 08:14 PM
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I just talked to the vet. She wasn't concerned about the small adrenals, since she doesn't know if they are abnormally small. They might be regular small. Bloodwork in March didn't show any signs of adrenal issues, and it hasn't historically (I left them a copy of my spreadsheat for him smile ), so that may or may not be a red herring.

She did talk with the radiologist. There is no evidence of heart disease, some changes in the airways (mineralization) that they say is common with aging.

They did say that something was undersized, and I think it was his heart. He shows evidence of being hypovolemic, having low blood volume, and consistent with dehydration, though she mentioned he isn't a dehydrated dog. She mentioned Addison's, but also that nothing else supports this, and moved on to maybe something like pulmonary hypertension, which is what the regular vet had mentioned when we were brainstorming.

Of course, I'm fearing the damned TBD's have maybe affected his heart, as with Indy, but in a different way.


MaxaL (aka LisaT)

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Re: ultrasound for the heart?/results [Re: MaxaLisa] #160631
06/09/11 09:12 PM
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So what's the next step?

Is Max still fatigued?

MJ

Re: ultrasound for the heart?/results [Re: Mary Jane] #160633
06/09/11 09:58 PM
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Oops, forgot to mention - cardiologist 7/15. Good I qualify for Care Credit shocked

Yes, he fatigues easily, pants A LOT just walking across the room frown


MaxaL (aka LisaT)

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Max, 5/2001-2/2012, RIP my partner, my Regal Boy
Indy, 5/1997-10/2010, RIP my friend, my teacher

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Re: ultrasound for the heart?/results [Re: MaxaLisa] #160757
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Originally Posted By: MaxaLisa
cardiologist 7/15.


That seems like a long time to wait for a potential heart problem-but I know that it can be longer for human beings in the same situation.

So Max (and Lisa) need a lot of heart-felt good wishes to keep things OK. grouphug There some go from the east to the west coast.

Mary Jane

Re: ultrasound for the heart?/results [Re: Mary Jane] #160804
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Glad that you will be able to go see a cardiologist to see if there's something weird with all of that, hopefully right that day. Good luck Max!

Re: ultrasound for the heart?/results [Re: JeanKBBMMMAAN] #160821
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Thank you so much hugging

I might have been able to get into UC Davis, but I like the cardio the clinic uses. This was Indy's cardio. She is only there once a month though, and I missed her June day.

As soon as the exam is complete, I'll know what is going on. Not sure what to hope for here!


MaxaL (aka LisaT)

Jazmine, mini-mix, 10/18/2011
Max-n-Indy
Max, 5/2001-2/2012, RIP my partner, my Regal Boy
Indy, 5/1997-10/2010, RIP my friend, my teacher

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