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Havoc has OCD (Osteochondritis Dissecans) #197673
12/06/11 03:18 PM
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Very basic discussion.

http://www.peteducation.com/article.cfm?c=2+1569&aid=464

He has been short stepping on his left foreleg for a long time and was x-rayed 3 years ago inconclusively although they talked about a 'flap' that prevented them from fully extending the leg. No diagnosis so I let it go to a strain. The short step has been pretty rare and resolves quickly on its own - until recently. In fact he had not had problems again until the last 6 months.

I took him to the Vet Wellness Center where has had laser and hydrotherapy several times for this. Once he has had this treatment and rest he is okay. But it keeps coming back after treatment and rest. He had not seem to bothered by it so I think it is probably mild but I also think it is starting to affect him. Yesteday I had to go to Tulsa for a doctor appt for me (yes all our medical care is in Tulsa now 100 miles away) so I took Hav and Kay in to see Doc Heather at the Wellness Center. They both got laser and hydrotherapy.

I told Heather he was still ocassionally short stepping, still rare but frequent enough to be of concern, and I had noticed him get up with a little more difficulty on Sunday evening (how well timed is that?). She suspects OCD based on his age, breed, sex, history and symptoms. She does not have an xray capability, she is promarily a rehab and PT vet.

She put him on Amantadine and a joint supplement. He is already on Glucosamine just for support since we had been doing agility. I will probably have him xrayed after the holidays and will restrict jumping.

Havoc has had no trauma that I can remember, he was not run hard or jumped young, he is not overweight. I do wonder about his nutrition as we struggled with bad tummy issues as a pup and I remember talking to the vet about it as everything we fed him ran right through him.

Just another thing...... would somebody tell me why I keep getting GSD's???

Last edited by MaxaLisa; 12/06/11 07:21 PM. Reason: added to title, being a bit OCD myslef, kept thinking obsessive compulsive disorder!

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Re: Havoc has OCD [Re: Kayos] #197679
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Re: Havoc has OCD [Re: Kayos] #197684
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Originally Posted By: Kayos
Very basic discussion.

http://www.peteducation.com/article.cfm?c=2+1569&aid=464

... Just another thing...... would somebody tell me why I keep getting GSD's???


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Sorry to hear Havoc is having problems. Hope the rst and supplements will help him out.

I know the feeling. 3 out of the 5 GSDs I've had over the years have had HD problems - ranging from severe to mild. Hasn't made me stop getting GSDs either.


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Re: Havoc has OCD [Re: Woodreb] #197692
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I'm sorry to read this. I am sending only good thoughts to you, and to Havoc, too. hugging You've been through so much together!


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Re: Havoc has OCD [Re: Braverhund] #197693
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Re: Havoc has OCD [Re: LifeAsMe] #197697
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Kathy,

Not what I expected-I thought he had some weird fetish toy-you know obsessive compulsive disorder.

Can you do 'people' activities for the next couple of weeks and let Havoc rest up?

It won't cure anything, but it can't hurt.

really sorry,
Mary Jane

Re: Havoc has OCD [Re: Mary Jane] #197698
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OCD stands for Obsessive Compulsive Disorder as well as Osteochondritis Dessicans. In Havoc's case he probably has both! rofl


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Re: Havoc has OCD [Re: Kayos] #197709
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Kathy, Don't know if you remember Kel_MT from the other forum, but a couple years ago she had a pup that had OCD. I know she had surgery done, but I can't remember the age, I think it was less than 6 months old.

Some times I question why I keep wanting GSD's. I can't think of many breeds that have the brain and beauty thing going, at least in my eyes.


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Re: Havoc has OCD [Re: Wisc.Tiger_Val] #197712
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Well, that really sucks frown

Those are similar symptoms that Max has in his right shoulder, but he's never been xray'ed. I haven't been able to affect it much other than keeping him in adjustment. It's pretty painful frown the DLPA seems to be helping his pain.

I don't understand what the one drug is for?


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Re: Havoc has OCD [Re: MaxaLisa] #197714
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Hey--am in the middle of a crazy day/week at work but wanted to say sorry and to say that Rafi came with a shoulder problem on his left leg and now has a problem is his right leg too (I am getting him x-rays in a couple of weeks) and I have had super success with high dose of joint supps, Ester C and now an herbal supplement at night. In acute phases I do Arnica every hour and he is perfect by the next morning. He came up really lame a couple of weeks ago after a 3 hour hike with a lot of running and jumping but I did the Arnica and the herbal supplement and he was good as gold the next morning.

A good bed is also very important. And now he has his doggie bling (the magnetic necklace)!

Rafi is very active. We walk 4 to 6 miles a day and usually 2 miles of that is off leash. He does run and bounce and chase balls but I really limit the amount of running and jumping he does. When he overdoes it he will start limping again. However, he can easily do strenuous hiking for 3-5 hours a day with no problems (as long as he doesn't run and jump too much).

He's also got a hip and maybe a knee problem too. You would never see any of this though if you didn't really know what to look for. He looks extremely fit and athletic.

If I don't get back here send me a pm to remind me to post doses, etc.


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Re: Havoc has OCD [Re: BowWowMeow] #197719
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Ruth I have Kayos on a very similar regimemen for her hips and elbows, in fact you gave me the doses! smile

The OCD is usually in younger large dogs and there is surgery to 'fix' it but I don't know if he is that bad.

Lisa Amantadine had had some good results in controlling pain in dogs with fewer side affects than NSAID's. I too had to look it up. This vet is very much into herbs, supplements and minimal meds. But I'll try the 30 day course.

Just one more thing to deal with with him. I wonder if his screaming in agility is more than plain old out of control excitement and maybe he has been a little sore and stressed?


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Re: Havoc has OCD (Osteochondritis Dissecans) [Re: Kayos] #197723
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Interesting about the Amantadine, we expect a full report - always good to have something new in the arsenal!

Interesting about the screaming. I bet the pain does have some effect - it must.


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Re: Havoc has OCD (Osteochondritis Dissecans) [Re: MaxaLisa] #197731
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In case it helps, I've got Rafi on a triple dose of everything (eek!) and still had to add in the herbal supplement at night. He's only 5ish.


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Re: Havoc has OCD (Osteochondritis Dissecans) [Re: BowWowMeow] #197734
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Ruth it will be interesting to see what Rafi's films say. I am going to try to get Havoc in for Xrays right after Christmas.


Kathy

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Re: Havoc has OCD (Osteochondritis Dissecans) [Re: BowWowMeow] #197735
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Sorry to hear this about Havoc! Ortho issues are tough. Are you going to surgery with this? I think it is a fairly easy fix.


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Re: Havoc has OCD (Osteochondritis Dissecans) [Re: Natalie559] #197742
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Don't know yet. Probably won't decide until after the holidays.


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Re: Havoc has OCD (Osteochondritis Dissecans) [Re: Kayos] #197766
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Poor Havoc. frown I hope you're able to find a fairly simple fix for him. I agree that this could play some part in his agility issues. I know I wouldn't be calm and collected if I were hurtin'. frown


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Sorry to read this about Havoc. I hope the treatment helps. hug


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Re: Havoc has OCD (Osteochondritis Dissecans) [Re: Kayos] #197832
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Kathy, I am really sorry to hear that Havoc has OCD, I had never even heard of this, something else to worry about frown

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