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Re: Max Update/ruh-roh RAstro.... [Re: MaxaLisa] #209610
02/01/12 01:35 AM
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Had an appt with the internal med vet today...

Max had an "episode" this weekend. Vet said it sounds like a hemangiosarcoma bleed. He said that my description of how it happened was almost textbook perfect teary

If the ultrasound doesn't show any masses, malignant or benign, then it could then be a blood parasite.

U/s is next tues, the 7th. Until then, I am choosing to believe that this is a blood parasite....


MaxaL (aka LisaT)

Jazmine, mini-mix, 10/18/2011
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Re: Max Update/ruh-roh RAstro.... [Re: MaxaLisa] #209613
02/01/12 01:38 AM
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I bet it is a blood parasite.

Re: Max Update/ruh-roh RAstro.... [Re: JeanKBBMMMAAN] #209614
02/01/12 01:43 AM
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Oh no. We don't want to hear any more bad news. Poor Maxie. frown Sending positive thoughts and strength your way!


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Re: Max Update/ruh-roh RAstro.... [Re: DancingCavy] #209620
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Well we are all hoping for blood parasite.

Lisa, I can only send you some cyber hugs and strength.

Hang in there Mr Handsome Max.


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Re: Max Update/ruh-roh RAstro.... [Re: Wisc.Tiger_Val] #209627
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grouphug Hang in there Lisa and Max.


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Re: Max Update/ruh-roh RAstro.... [Re: Woodreb] #209631
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Sending good thoughts! hugging


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Re: Max Update/ruh-roh RAstro.... [Re: Tara] #209653
02/01/12 02:58 AM
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Hugs and strength welcome, thank you!

In my head, I can create a scenario either way, it will be a long week. I tried to prepare myself for this the last 6 months, but you just can't really prepare to have that conversation with the vet. He warned me of a few things that might happen between now and then if this really is hemangio. Talked about the sudden death thing. Talked about how that isn't usually how it goes, there are usually more bleeds, the dog recovers each time, but doesn't recover fully, getting weaker with each bleed, as the qulity of life declines, and we must intervene.

With no treatment, statistics say a week to 3 months. With surgery, 3-6 months. With additional chemo, 6-9 months. I can't see Max going through that surgery, wouldn't do chemo for this.

Blood parasite makes so much sense too with his history.

He said on the u/s, they can also sometimes see if blood is being sequestered if there isn't a mass, talked a bit about the role of doxy in that instance - that part is kinda fuzzy, not sure I might have been a bit lightheaded at that point, that might have been the parasite thing. I asked about doxy and hemangio, like sometimes it's used for lymphoma, he said he didn't know, no one has ever tried that he knew.

Before that, talked a bit about the difference between how doxy and pred act as anti-inflammatories, and many dogs with autoimmune conditions will respond better to one or the other, often not both. Many nose things respond to doxy/niacinamide and not pred.

They have a radioligist come in that has better equipment than they have on site. He will be there looking over the radiologists shoulder, so to speak, which makes me feel more confident. This internal med vet did Indy's u/s maybe 11 years ago, so two sets of experienced eyes, and the vet is very familiar with the history and is also the intellectually curious type.

So, will try my best, game face for the next week...

Last edited by MaxaLisa; 02/01/12 03:06 AM.

MaxaL (aka LisaT)

Jazmine, mini-mix, 10/18/2011
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Re: Max Update/ruh-roh RAstro.... [Re: JeanKBBMMMAAN] #209665
02/01/12 03:29 AM
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Originally Posted By: JeanKBBMMMAAN
I bet it is a blood parasite.


Ditto.

hugging


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Re: Max Update/ruh-roh RAstro.... [Re: Tara] #209676
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grouphug I don't think I've ever prayed that a dog had a blood parasite, but in Max's case I'll pray like crazy that it is!!! IMHO hemagiosarcoma is the most evil word in the English language.


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Re: Max Update/ruh-roh RAstro.... [Re: arycrest] #209677
02/01/12 03:56 AM
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For Max crossedfingers crossedfingers crossedfingers good thoughts and vibes are being sent that this is a blood parasite, or anything else less worrysome. gsdbeggin


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Re: Max Update/ruh-roh RAstro.... [Re: Braverhund] #209687
02/01/12 04:21 AM
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Please Max, let this be a minor set back. You are doing so good.

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Re: Max Update/ruh-roh RAstro.... [Re: PositiveDog] #209704
02/01/12 06:03 AM
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Yeah, seems a bit odd to be hoping for a blood parasite crazy My dogs get weird things, so maybe hold out for something weird and benign.

Would love for this to be a minor setback!


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Re: Max Update/ruh-roh RAstro.... [Re: MaxaLisa] #209711
02/01/12 07:49 AM
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I certainly hope it's a blood parasite. hugging


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Re: Max Update/ruh-roh RAstro.... [Re: BowWowMeow] #209713
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Oh Lisa, praying with everything I have this is a blood parasite hugging Will they be able to test further as to what type and what treatment?

Come'on next week hugging And a gentle kiss for Max.


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Re: Max Update/ruh-roh RAstro.... [Re: bianca] #209758
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Thank you Ruth and bianca.

If it's a blood parasite, I doubt we will find it. There are so many things we don't have tests for, the tests we do have aren't 100P.


MaxaL (aka LisaT)

Jazmine, mini-mix, 10/18/2011
Max-n-Indy
Max, 5/2001-2/2012, RIP my partner, my Regal Boy
Indy, 5/1997-10/2010, RIP my friend, my teacher

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