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Re: ultrasound for the heart?/echocardiogram [Re: bianca] #184885
09/30/11 02:00 PM
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Checking in on Max, he is so gorgeous, and does look happier in those photos Lisa.

Hoping the past couple of days have been a bit better.

Re: ultrasound for the heart?/echocardiogram [Re: TMarie] #185105
10/01/11 08:40 PM
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We were having a pretty good week, and then all heck broke loose on Friday with the nose. I almost thought we were going to get this thing healed finally, darn it.

I left him home alone for a bit (first time all week), and I think he was licking and scratching his groan area (it was pretty bloody) and broke open the nose. I also think that a couple of the supplements that I added back in are making it harder to heal. I think it might be the joint supplements????? This makes no sense, but I'm giving it a trial again to see what happens. I've also found that zymox ear gel on the nose helps (I was worried about ingestion, but at this point....). I'm trying all sorts of things. The nose got a lot better when we tried his new homeopathic remedy, so I guess we'll see what happens when it's time to redose.

I have been a bit frustrated that the antibiotics really aren't helping Max get betting in any quality way. That's not quite true - without them he is very very ill, and a number of things get worse, but, with them, he does not seem to breath better, and doesn't seem to be the key for that part of what is wrong with him.

I've been wondering if the antibiotics aren't going to be the way to get him better. I found this website, and it describes what he is going through very well: http://www.dinet.org/symptoms.htm I'm thinking these are symptoms caused by whatever process is giving him low blood volume, or the appearance of. I also think that I need how to fight disease caused by endotoxins, which is what the bacteria are shedding, and probably what is causing the actual disease.

I have also been wondering if maybe some of his hypovolemia was actual blood loss. His stools had become dark - I figured that it was because his herbs are very black, and I also had started feeding things like olives, beets, etc. However, since treating for an ulcer (zantac and carafate), even with all of those dark things, his stools are looking less black and much more brown. Part of me is really hoping that he had some ulceration from years of doxy. Fistulas are often associatied with ulcerative colitis in humans, so maybe there is a connection. I've mentioned the dark stools to some of the vets before, but I guess it didn't trigger anything to them. Anyway, it seems to be providing him some comfort, and I hope, it will help him in some other ways, ultimately, too!

I learned about heat intolerance - the heat further dilates the blood vessels and makes it harder for the body to circulate the blood.

Also read a study about low blood pressure (or was it low blood volume?), that drinking tons of water helps, but drinking something like clear soup does not. Most of the things I'm finding to help one thing, makes another thing worse, but I'm still looking!

Hoping for healing weekend...took out his glucosamine and chondroitin this weekend - hate doing that to my boy!


MaxaL (aka LisaT)

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Re: ultrasound for the heart?/echocardiogram [Re: MaxaLisa] #185123
10/01/11 09:59 PM
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Good thoughts from us here in CT for Max, hang in there. hugging


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Re: ultrasound for the heart?/echocardiogram [Re: MaxaLisa] #185170
10/02/11 12:54 AM
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Originally Posted By: MaxaLisa
We were having a pretty good week, and then all heck broke loose .............Hoping for healing weekend.........


You got more room for that hope?

take care,
MJ

Re: ultrasound for the heart?/echocardiogram [Re: Mary Jane] #185224
10/02/11 03:45 AM
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I hope the weekend improves. So disappointing and scary when things are going well and then take a turn for the worse again. You hang in there, gorgeous Max. And you too, Lisa! hugging


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Re: ultrasound for the heart?/echocardiogram [Re: BowWowMeow] #185233
10/02/11 04:04 AM
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Originally Posted By: BowWowMeow
I hope the weekend improves. So disappointing and scary when things are going well and then take a turn for the worse again. You hang in there, gorgeous Max. And you too, Lisa! hugging


Ditto! Feel better Max hugging


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Re: ultrasound for the heart?/echocardiogram [Re: kelso] #185244
10/02/11 04:13 AM
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hugging hugging hugging Sending lots of good thoughts and prayers to you and Max!!! hugging hugging hugging


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Re: ultrasound for the heart?/echocardiogram [Re: arycrest] #185246
10/02/11 04:14 AM
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I seem to be saying thank you a lot, but thank you!

The day started rough, but the evening is better smile


MaxaL (aka LisaT)

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Re: ultrasound for the heart?/echocardiogram [Re: MaxaLisa] #185256
10/02/11 05:33 AM
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hugging and hugging


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Re: ultrasound for the heart?/echocardiogram [Re: Barb E] #185270
10/02/11 10:03 AM
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Some more hugging coming from down under too. And a gentle pat for Mr Max hugging


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Re: ultrasound for the heart?/echocardiogram [Re: bianca] #185288
10/02/11 12:19 PM
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Originally Posted By: bianca
Some more hugging coming from down under too. And a gentle pat for Mr Max hugging


Me too! hug


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Re: ultrasound for the heart?/echocardiogram [Re: Qyn] #185310
10/02/11 02:09 PM
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hugging Hugs to Max. Hope this is a better day.


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Re: ultrasound for the heart?/echocardiogram [Re: PositiveDog] #185424
10/02/11 11:11 PM
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*HUGS* to you and Mr. Max. Hope the weekend went better.


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Re: ultrasound for the heart?/echocardiogram [Re: DancingCavy] #185794
10/04/11 08:08 AM
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Just checking in on our Max hugging


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Re: ultrasound for the heart?/echocardiogram [Re: bianca] #185975
10/05/11 05:03 AM
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I've taken the Cosamin supplement out of the diet, and added coconut oil to the mix for things I'm using to treat the nose, and that seems to be helping. The first day with no bleeding since last week, which is a definite plus. I don't quite understand the Cosamin thing, but maybe it's thinning the blood or something - I don't understand. But all heck broke loose when I added it back last week after several days out of the mix. Very confusing!! I have doubled his hyaluronic acid. I know I can't go long without the joint supps though!

I"m looking into supporting him now, fighting the endotoxins that infectious organisms emit. This may or may not be e.coli. It may also be a rickettsia disease, not so different than my long term suspicion. The cooler weather is making him more comfortable, and I hope buys us a bit more time to get this figured out and put a plan in action that starts improving things for him. I can say, I'm learning a lot about septic shock with all the reading I'm doing!

This sounds a lot like what is happening with him, this is from a page on rickettsia infections:

Quote:
Pathogenicity

In their arthropod vectors, the rickettsia multiply in the epithelium of the intestinal tract; they are excreted in the feces, but occasionally gain access to the arthropods salivary glands. They are transmitted to man, via the arthropod saliva, through a bite. In their mammalian host, they are found principally in the endothelium of the small blood vessels, particularly in those of the brain, skin and heart. Hyperplasia of endothelial cells and localized thrombus formation lead to obstruction of blood flow, with escape of RBC's into the surrounding tissue. Inflammatory cells also accumulate about affected segments of blood vessels. This angiitis appears to account for some of the more prominent clinical manifestations, such as petechial rash, stupor and terminal shock. Death is ascribed to damage of endothelial cells, resulting in leakage of plasma, decrease in blood volume, and shock.

It is assumed that the observed clinical manifestations of a rickettsial infection are due to production of an endotoxin, although this endotoxin is quite different in physiological effects from that produced by members of the Enterobacteriaceae. This is inferred, although the toxin has not been isolated, from these facts:

1. IV-injected rickettsia cause rapid death in experimental animals.

2. UV-irradiation of rickettsia diminished their infectivity without reducing toxicity.

3. The use of anti-rickettsial drugs does not prevent rapid death in experimental animals.

4. Antiserum specific for cell wall antigens of the rickettsia prevents the toxic effect.

http://www.atsu.edu/faculty/chamberlain/Website/Lects/Rickett.htm


We're still plugging away here, still hopeful, and, even though having to take Max to work is fraught with frustrations (from his nose, to going without lunch, etc.), I'm glad that he gets some squirrel hunting time, since he doesn't get out much otherwise nowadays. I'm always glad to spend time with my boy wub


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