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Re: Kelso is sick :( -anemia/recent DHLPP.. [Re: kelso] #187384
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My girl did get the Predhead. But as soon as she was weaned off the pred, her muscling came back just fine.
Keep up your spirit and hope. My prayers are with you.
If you ever just need to talk Steph, please pm me and I will give you my phone number or email and we can chat that way.

Re: Kelso is sick :( -anemia/recent DHLPP.. [Re: kelso] #187627
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Originally Posted By: kelso
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So not sure there is really anything else...(just like Hollysmom and her pup and others that there was not even a vaccine as the cause) she did say he will be on steroids for a few months. Right now we are keeping the doses of doxy and pred the same until this next batch of bloodwork comes back in the next 24-48 hours.
Thanks again. As soon as I know anything more when the labs come back again and get another vet report will update...Kelso says thanks for all the good wishes paw and very helpful advice. ...
I know it hasn't been 48 hours yet but just checking to see if you've heard anything?


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Re: Kelso is sick :( -anemia/recent DHLPP.. [Re: arycrest] #187629
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Checking in on Kelso. I am glad to hear that things are stable and moving towards the good.


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Re: Kelso is sick :( -anemia/recent DHLPP.. [Re: Wisc.Tiger_Val] #187643
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Max has pred head, I noticed it awhile back frown


I'm glad that the specialist wanted to do the more extensive tests - the abnormalities struck me as I was making that spreadsheet. I do wonder if any of those abnormal results are common in the pure immune case (good question for the vet?). Hollysmom, do you recall if only the bloodcounts in your dog were off, or if there were other things?


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Re: Kelso is sick :( -anemia/recent DHLPP.. [Re: MaxaLisa] #187650
10/13/11 09:44 AM
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Just checking in on Kelso hugging


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Re: Kelso is sick :( -anemia/recent DHLPP.. [Re: bianca] #187679
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I know some of her other values were off also, but returned to normal after all meds were gone from her system. I can't remember which ones to be honest, its been a few years.

Re: Kelso is sick :( -anemia/recent DHLPP.. [Re: Hollysmom] #187695
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Still following and hoping everything is going well!! crossedfingers


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Re: Kelso is sick :( -anemia/recent DHLPP.. [Re: aubie] #187814
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Just checking in. Pred head - interesting!

Re: Kelso is sick :( -anemia/recent DHLPP.. [Re: JeanKBBMMMAAN] #187832
10/14/11 03:46 AM
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Hello again

Thank you thank you thank you all for checking in on Kels grouphug

Pretty good news I think, labs are better groovy, he seems to be doing very well besides the side effects of the prednisone (ravenous, peeing) and easily fatigued but wound up at the same time.

I was going to post the vet report but did not know if that was ok so the summary is:

assessment: pancytopenia, rule out: immune mediated, infectious (tick, viral, other) toxin, myelofibrosis..

recommendation: finsh doxy (30 days) and decrease prednisone to 50mg a day for 3 weeks and recheck a cbc at that point. If that is normal decrease the pred by another 25%, then recheck in another 3 weeks and so on....by my calculations if we titrate down to 10 mg he will be on steroids (if all goes well!) for about 18-20 more weeks wow which makes sense as Hollysmom said her pup was on it for about 5 months and this will be about 6 months counting the time he has already been on it. Just hoping and praying there is no setbacks for him.

The write up did say that immune mediated was ultimately suspected and it is unlikely we will determine an underlying cause, but that future vaccines should be limited.


Labs (liver enzymes up -suspected from the pred)





So basically as others have suggested and what Hollysmom went through we will just take it from here and hope each day continues to be better as the pred weans!!

Again, can't thank you all enough. Will be sure to update if anything changes but do not want to bore you all with my ramblings.... smile

Dan just called out from the other room and said "it sounds like normal in there!" I am in the computer room and Kelso is happily squeaking away on his toy like he used to smile smile smile smile


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Re: Kelso is sick :( -anemia/recent DHLPP.. [Re: kelso] #187836
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Originally Posted By: kelso
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Pretty good news I think, labs are better groovy, he seems to be doing very well besides the side effects of the prednisone (ravenous, peeing) and easily fatigued but wound up at the same time.
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Again, can't thank you all enough. Will be sure to update if anything changes but do not want to bore you all with my ramblings.... smile

Dan just called out from the other room and said "it sounds like normal in there!" I am in the computer room and Kelso is happily squeaking away on his toy like he used to smile smile smile smile
party So glad your boy is feelng better ... I imagine the squeaking is like music to your ears!!!

Your postings about how Kelso's doing are always welcomed ... please never feel that you're boring us!!!

goodluck That's great news that you're going to start weaning him off the pred ... WHAT A HUGE STEP!!!

grouphug


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Re: Kelso is sick :( -anemia/recent DHLPP.. [Re: arycrest] #187846
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So glad that Kelso is improving and squeaky away again! I'm also glad to hear they recommended limiting vaccines. Were this my dog I would move to titers for rabies only and forget about everything else.


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Re: Kelso is sick :( -anemia/recent DHLPP.. [Re: kelso] #187870
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Originally Posted By: kelso
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Dan just called out from the other room and said "it sounds like normal in there!" I am in the computer room and Kelso is happily squeaking away on his toy like he used to smile smile smile smile


This is the kind of information I have been waiting for!!! Thanks for the update it is sounding a lot better. hugging


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Re: Kelso is sick :( -anemia/recent DHLPP.. [Re: Qyn] #187875
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Sounds like a basic reducing protocal. (If at any time during the reduction phase you see stuff you don't like, immediately get him into vets for a blood workup. It can happen almost overnight if the decrease is causing him to crash a bit.)
I have high hopes for things working out. His HCT is in the low normal range which is GREAT. It funny, but even though I watched all my girls blood work, the HCT was the one that would make me smile. As it went up and then stayed up, I was ready for a happy dance.
You will be surprised how fast his body gets back to normal, even with slight pred reductions. Pred is such a nasty drug, but in the case of AIHA, it is a necessary evil. BUT, the change is fast and he will be himself pretty quick. When we were down to the 10mg a day those last weeks, she was totally her normal self and got even happier when she was able to start returning to normal things like walks, dog shows, etc. Oh yes, she was able to return to dog shows. Amazing , huh?
Please keep in touch, I want to know how things are going. This is one nasty mama of a disease and is so tough on the dogs and long and hard for their bodies to recover, but it is devastating to us as owners to watch and pray and hope everyday. I am so positive that things are climbing up and staying up, Kelso is following my girls path, a slow constant climb to beat this. As your specialist said, we never figured out what caused my girl(Sophie) to get it, you will never know what caused Kelso to get it, so don't even think about it.
I never did give her another vaccination, except rabies. She never had an issue with that one at all.
Good luck to you, Dan and of course Kelso.

Re: Kelso is sick :( -anemia/recent DHLPP.. [Re: kelso] #187895
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The weaning protocol is where you take your leap of faith. If this is tick related, that protocol is problematic. If it's just a vaccine reaction, it's fine.

It's good to see that the numbers aren't too far off - what a great releif, and so happy that he's squeeking away!

I hate it when the different labs have different normals - messes with the spreadsheet! And that's what it's all about, the spreadsheet, right rofl

Glad they ran the microalbumin test too - it is an early marker for kidney troubles.

You know, we all will be *expecting* ramblings and updates thumbup


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Re: Kelso is sick :( -anemia/recent DHLPP.. [Re: MaxaLisa] #187896
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Yay!!! Great news!! I know you all feel relieved just to have a normal squeaking boy back!! happyboogie


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