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Re: ultrasound for the heart?/adrenals? SIBO? [Re: TMarie] #174547
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Originally Posted By: TMarie
Originally Posted By: MaxaLisa
Tammy, if this herb works, it might be a good thing in the first aid box for Jarie....

I was going to ask you more about that, but didn't think it would be appropriate on your thread. But definitely keep Jarie in mind for that. It wouldn't hurt for me to have it on hand and try. We've had a few bleeding episodes the past 2 months, minor, but minor is major for her.


It's more than appropriate here!

I went ahead and ordered some more. It will take me 4 days to go through what I have here, and I just have a real good feeling about this. Because of shipping, it was definitely cost effective to order their bulk package, so I may have an extra pack that I can send you.

For Max, they don't recommend long term use, but I can see pulsing it, if it works. If it doesn't work, I still wanted some on hand. Hopefully I will be able to get better guidance from the TCM vets.


MaxaL (aka LisaT)

Jazmine, mini-mix, 10/18/2011
Max-n-Indy
Max, 5/2001-2/2012, RIP my partner, my Regal Boy
Indy, 5/1997-10/2010, RIP my friend, my teacher

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Re: ultrasound for the heart?/adrenals? SIBO? [Re: MaxaLisa] #174588
08/21/11 09:44 AM
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I am going to post this good news while it's still good.

We were able to walk 2 blocks, then around the block, and back. Now, 20 minutes later, he is not panting. That's great! smile

His respiratory rate is still 56 breaths per minute frown , but he's not panting and that's great. (Indy, with heart disease, the most hers was was 18, and usually 14 - the cardio said anything over 40 to get her in asap.) Max used to be 40 too.

On the colon cancer board, I learned that one doctor cured fistulas (in humans) by putting his patients on an ACE inhibitor, like lisinopril, to increase blood to the area. I've asked the vets about this, and they seemed to think I was a bit nuts.

I'm now wondering if the fistula (and the nose), aren't just issues of infection, but occured because the blood flow to those areas were compromised.

For tonight, I am thankful for baby steps. I guess we'll see what tomorrow brings.


MaxaL (aka LisaT)

Jazmine, mini-mix, 10/18/2011
Max-n-Indy
Max, 5/2001-2/2012, RIP my partner, my Regal Boy
Indy, 5/1997-10/2010, RIP my friend, my teacher

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Re: ultrasound for the heart?/adrenals? SIBO? [Re: MaxaLisa] #174591
08/21/11 10:43 AM
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Rest well tonight Max hugging


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Re: ultrasound for the heart?/adrenals? SIBO? [Re: MaxaLisa] #174640
08/21/11 05:04 PM
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Originally Posted By: MaxaLisa
I am going to post this good news while it's still good.
....... I am thankful for baby steps.


Every step and every breath count.

It's wonderful that each of you had a hint of relief.

take care,
MJ

Re: ultrasound for the heart?/adrenals? SIBO? [Re: Mary Jane] #174643
08/21/11 05:23 PM
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How is Max doing this morning?


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Re: ultrasound for the heart?/adrenals? SIBO? [Re: BowWowMeow] #174651
08/21/11 07:26 PM
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Max is not worse today, so far.

The weather is cooler, which is nice.


With stuff I've been doing, he feels better and wants to play, gets out of breath and weak, and frustrated and lays down depressed. At least he feels a bit like playing.

During my red light acupuncture protocol (day 2!), I took his blood pressure (wrist monitor), and it was awfully low, at 98. It used to never go below 120, and often would spike to 140-ish. I'm now glad I subjected him to those measurements when I was monitoring Indy. I'm really glad though that I thought of a way to monitor what is going on with his veins, the BP monitor completely slipped my mind in this context.

His nose, I still worry about that a lot, it's raw, sometimes bloody crusty. Part of his nose in the front used to spontaneously bleed - vets kept saying autoimmune, which, clearly is not, as autoimmune does not respond to cipro.

I am hoping for an uneventful day for the boy, with lots of internal healing!


MaxaL (aka LisaT)

Jazmine, mini-mix, 10/18/2011
Max-n-Indy
Max, 5/2001-2/2012, RIP my partner, my Regal Boy
Indy, 5/1997-10/2010, RIP my friend, my teacher

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Re: ultrasound for the heart?/adrenals? SIBO? [Re: MaxaLisa] #174712
08/22/11 04:20 AM
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New Rule: Dog is not allowed outside unsupervised headbang

Luckily, I caught him after only several steps onto the carpet:


And when I followed the blood trail along the kitchen and patio, these are the spots he left where he was laying. There are two blotchy areas, not easy to see with the flash lighting them up:


If his nose is any indication of what is going on in his body, we will be left with few options soon. It's just not fair - I know, it never is.

I don't think I have much of a choice, I'll take him off of all meds for the next couple of days, except low dose pred which can't be stopped at this point. I'll keep the herbal support and supplements. This got worse with the increase in the doxy. I don't know if it's a reaction to the medication directly, or the disease process getting worse before it gets better. I think an argument can be made either way. When he's not bleeding, he feels tons better on the doxy, it's all very confusing.

I have to take my mom to the doctor's tomorrow. I'm very nervous to leave him alone. I might have to crate him, I don't know. He hasn't been crated in so long, I don't want him to feel bad. I'm worried about bleeding everywhere, and I'm worried what shape he will be in when I get home. I will just have to keep the faith....


MaxaL (aka LisaT)

Jazmine, mini-mix, 10/18/2011
Max-n-Indy
Max, 5/2001-2/2012, RIP my partner, my Regal Boy
Indy, 5/1997-10/2010, RIP my friend, my teacher

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Re: ultrasound for the heart?/adrenals? SIBO? [Re: MaxaLisa] #174721
08/22/11 04:57 AM
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Oh Lisa, I wish I had answers or something I could do for you and Max.
Know that I'm thinking of you
hugging


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Re: ultrasound for the heart?/adrenals? SIBO? [Re: Barb E] #174724
08/22/11 05:14 AM
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Thank you Barb hugging


MaxaL (aka LisaT)

Jazmine, mini-mix, 10/18/2011
Max-n-Indy
Max, 5/2001-2/2012, RIP my partner, my Regal Boy
Indy, 5/1997-10/2010, RIP my friend, my teacher

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Re: ultrasound for the heart?/adrenals? SIBO? [Re: Barb E] #174725
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hugging to you, Lisa. Again, I just wish we had some really useful information about the interaction between all of these drugs...so frustrating, confusing and worrisome. feelingblue


Ruth

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http://www.dogster.com/dogs/693238

Varda & Gio (the crazy cattens)
...............
Warming my heart:
Queen Cleopatra
Chama
Kai
Basu
Massie
Re: ultrasound for the heart?/adrenals? SIBO? [Re: BowWowMeow] #174726
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You're right Ruth, the side effects are so difficult to deal with, on top of such a difficult disease process.

I have some tick herbs here. I might try that route. He's so intolerant though.

I might try pulsing the antibiotics. It's day 5 off of abx that he crashes, so he will be okay for a few days.

I did make a follow-up appt with the internal med guy for Wed, that was before the nosebleed, which I think was part inside this time.

just feelingblue right about now....


MaxaL (aka LisaT)

Jazmine, mini-mix, 10/18/2011
Max-n-Indy
Max, 5/2001-2/2012, RIP my partner, my Regal Boy
Indy, 5/1997-10/2010, RIP my friend, my teacher

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Re: ultrasound for the heart?/adrenals? SIBO? [Re: MaxaLisa] #174745
08/22/11 09:51 AM
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Oh Lisa I wish there was an easy answer frown

Would it be worth talking to a chemist (pharmacist) armed with a list of all the different meds/herbs etc Max has been taking? Just to see if something jumps out to them?

Instead of crating Max tomorrow, can you block him into the kitchen or bathroom where there is no carpet perhaps?

I am keeping you both firmly in my thoughts hugging hugging hugging


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Cooper GSD (The Gremlin) 19/10/11
Texas - Tabby cat (Feb 1996-2013) Run free sweet Teppie
Paris - Tabby cat (Feb 1996-2013) Run free my beautiful girl.
Re: ultrasound for the heart?/adrenals? SIBO? [Re: bianca] #174769
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Lisa,

Please take care of one doctor's appointment at a time. With your deep knowledge of Max, you will leave him at home safely. I guess you'll be away several hours, but no more than that.

Besides, maybe you can brainstorm with your mother.

Drive carefully,
MJ

Re: ultrasound for the heart?/adrenals? SIBO? [Re: Mary Jane] #174770
08/22/11 02:03 PM
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Wish there was more we could do for you and Max- been thinking about you two!


Natalie

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Re: ultrasound for the heart?/adrenals? SIBO? [Re: Natalie559] #174775
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Quynne gsdhalo - Black Female GSD - Sept 29, 2004 - 11 Nov 2013 Deeply missed

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