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Brought Lincoln to have his eyes looked at #171573
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I borrowed some money out of my emergency fund to bring him in.

Vet confirmed pannus.

The problem I am having is the Optimmune ointment costs $52 and I am lucky to have it last two weeks. I just used it, I dont like it.

Is there such thing as Cyclosporine drops? I really need to find cheaper meds to try because at this price I cant afford to treat it.

She said she carried Prednisolone and Dexamethasone drops. Any suggestions?

Re: Brought Lincoln to have his eyes looked at [Re: Malinois16] #171602
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There are cyclosporine drops, it is thought that they don't stay in the eye as long as the ointment.

The only way to treat cheaper, is either to get the vet to write you some meds, or to try the prednisolone drops, and if those don't work that well, the Dexa drops.


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Lisa, I have a script for the Optimmune and I am sure I could convince her for the drops but where the heck do I find the actual drops? I cant find them anywhere except Dr Foster and Smith, they do not ship to Canada

Should I use Pred drops with another type? She said she doesnt like prescribing steriods because if he injures his cornea it can damage it further. There are these drops here to http://www.1800petmeds.com/Neo+Poly+Dex+Ophthalmic-prod10184.html I read they use these to treat Pannus to.

I can do the Optimmune for another month or so, but I cannot afford to pay $55 for a teeny little tube unless I can find it cheaper ($30) somewhere else

Should I invest in some Doggles?

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I thought he was having pale gums on the straight neo-poly drops? If so, you definitely don't want those linked eye drops.

Zillions of dogs are on pred drops for pannus. There is a concern if the eye is ulcerated, but the odds of that, really, must be very slim. I am using the pred drops here, no more cyclo or tac for my guy since he appears to be allergic.

Compounding Pharmacies can sell this stuff the cheapest. I have used Roadrunner Pharmacy in Arizona and Meds4vets in Utah. I don't know how if there are any in Canada. I seem to recall though, that Roadrunner no longer carries cyclo, only tacrolimus.

I'm not sure you want a script for Optimmune, but for just "cyclosporine drops", at whatever the right percentage strength is, so that you can get a generic compounded product. Otherwise, they must sell you the name product. You might have to track down the pharmacy and call and ask what they have. I don't know how to find the pharmacy.

My vet started Max on the pred drops. Back then, they made him pee, so I switched. No, he needs the pred, so I use those and the C-bright lubricating vitamin drops, and that is working fine.


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Re: Brought Lincoln to have his eyes looked at [Re: Malinois16] #171608
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Lisa not the neo poly drops. He was having pale gums on the Naphazoline Drops.

I cant find cyclosporine drops. So maybe I will try this one for a month then looks into the pred. I know on the pills they make Lincoln lose all bladder control. Will the eye drops make him to the same thing? I can get prednisolone drops for $19. I really do not like the ointment as he tends to move around.

So when I go back in a month I think I should ask for the Prednisolone. Do I use just the pred drops or should I add something else in?

He had the die test thingy done to check for ulcers. It came back okay as well as his tear test. So no concern for ulcers. How long should I keep up the Optimmume until I see a difference?

You have a pm on the other forum, sent it there since I am not here often

Also, the little globs of white blood cells, are those there forever ( hes getting more) or will they go away with treatment?

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I used a compounding pharmacy and that was really cheap.


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Okay, I had the drops goofed up.

The eye drops should not affect the bladder at all. Personally, I would try the drops. That should be all that you need.

For Max, the gobs of white blood cells do resolve. They slowly go down in size, kinda flatten out, then make the eyeball look hazy and you'll think that part of the sight is gone, but then it starts turning to that dark melanin coloring, and then it goes away. At least that's the process that happens with Max. If his meds are right and I give them often enough, then the process doesn't start over.

I've kinda got my hands full over here, so probably won't be over there for awhile to answer pm's, just short responses to some threads.


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Okay so you really think I should try the prednisolone drops and just them? Thats basically what happened with the other globs of white blood cells. On his other eye, they flattened out and turned brown. Been like that ever since.

What else could they be tho? He is getting more of them in that eye. I will call my vet tomorrow and ask if I can try the prednisolone drops instead. Hopefully she will be okay with that...his globs are in the sclera tho not on his cornea

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I called my vet and she okay'ed the Prednisolone Acetate 1% suspension drops. A bottle is $32 here and they will last 2-3 months. I can afford that.

Lisa, how often should I give it? I HATE prednisone and I am hoping it doesnt make him pee 24/7. Will using the eye drops give him all the diseases they say are associated with pred use?

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Your vet should have given you dosing instructions? I don't know what the standard dosing is. There are other pannus threads that you can probably search for info, both here and there.

It shouldn't give him any of the issues that pred does, it's a very small amount.


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Okay, I never got around to asking for dosing, but when I call my vet to call in the prescription next week I will ask. I think its one drop in each 3-4 times a day (since it doesnt last long in the eye) but I wanna cut him back if I can.

I will pick it up next week to have on hand when I finish up the tube of Optimmume that should be made of gold...His eyes looks better today. Though its still red...not sure if that will take time to clear up

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Sounds like a plan.


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The one thing thats bothering me is I call and ask them to call a prescription into the pharmacy. The lady says I will write it down and give it to the vet. Well it never makes it to the vet or they just never call me back.

That drives me insane, because then they think I am rude when I keep calling back. I will not have my dog go without medication and it bothers me they cant seem to find 2 minutes to call in a prescription.

Ugh im having a bad day. If worse comes to worse I will show up in person and ask her to write me a script between an appointment so I can get his meds filled.

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Why don't you just use the Optimmune ointment until you get the drops?


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I am going to finish the tube of Optimmune. But this tube will only last 1-2 weeks. So I will be less anxious if I get the prednisolone drops before this tube runs out. I hate doing things last minute. So as long as the script is called in I can pick it up the end of next week.

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