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Re: ultrasound for the heart?/adrenals? SIBO? [Re: MaxaLisa] #171561
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I can understand the concern about Max crashing, is the ACU Vet willing to talk to Dr. Plechner about that concern? Maybe he has seen more cases and has a better handle on how dogs react to the protocol.


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Re: ultrasound for the heart?/adrenals? SIBO? [Re: Wisc.Tiger_Val] #171576
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What does the cardio vet think about the steroids?


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Re: ultrasound for the heart?/adrenals? SIBO? [Re: LJsMom] #171585
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Val, I think the Acu vet has her own plan, but I also think it's influenced by Plechner's ideas. This is the first time any vet has taken his antibiotic dependence issue really seriously, and that alone brings me some relief and hope that we might be able to manuever through this. I will ask her though if she has talked with him. I do have his book on order for reference.

Joanne, I was worried about that too. With it working overtime now, I don't know how much more it can handle. I didn't ask the cardio, but she did say that it was already crunching down as hard as it can to keep up frown


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Re: ultrasound for the heart?/adrenals? SIBO? [Re: MaxaLisa] #171621
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Pred, are they supposed to lose weight when on it?


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Re: ultrasound for the heart?/adrenals? SIBO? [Re: MaxaLisa] #171625
08/05/11 10:49 AM
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Lisa I so wish I could offer some advice.

Would it be possibe to try and arrange a conference call between yourself and all Max's vet's?

I am keeping you both firmly in my thoughts and prayers hugging


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Re: ultrasound for the heart?/adrenals? SIBO? [Re: MaxaLisa] #171646
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Originally Posted By: MaxaLisa
Pred, are they supposed to lose weight when on it?


Rica was on pred for a long time (low dose, once or twice a week) after she was diagnosed with HD. I never had trouble keeping weight on her in all that time. So I don't think the pred acts to promote weight loss. It does tend to stimulate the appetite. Rica was a chow hound as a result and I had to reort to some innovative means tokeep her out of the dog food. It was amazing how she figured out how to get in to closed and tightly covered cans.


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Re: ultrasound for the heart?/adrenals? SIBO? [Re: Woodreb] #171651
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I know in humans, pred tends to cause weight gain, not loss.


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Re: ultrasound for the heart?/adrenals? SIBO? [Re: DancingCavy] #171663
08/05/11 04:34 PM
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Lisa,

I really admire you for thinking creatively and critically about Max's care but this is awfully challenging.

As you say, including the hormonal issues on top of everything else is a step forward.

many best wishes,
Mary Jane

Re: ultrasound for the heart?/adrenals? SIBO? [Re: Mary Jane] #171679
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That's what I thought about the pred. I figure it's either weight loss from the loss of muscle, which I can already feel, or weight loss because the cortisol is helping his thyroid work better, as he has had hypothyroidism that is unresponsive to medication.

Thank you MJ, very frustrated here. As I take stock of "what I did on my summer vacation", I realize that, while I've learned a lot, not one realistic step forward on the breathing issue though. I guess stuff that has to be gone through, but I sure would like for him to feel better.

I guess, avoiding an Addison's type crash, is one important thing that we have done though.

Last edited by MaxaLisa; 08/05/11 06:36 PM.

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Re: ultrasound for the heart?/echocardiogram [Re: MaxaLisa] #171707
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He's losing the hair on his ears....


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Re: ultrasound for the heart?/echocardiogram [Re: MaxaLisa] #171710
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Max doesn't take pepcid or anything like that, does he? My sister's aussie lost a lot of weight while on pepcid during her anemia deficiency illness.

She found out that was the cause (and we joked we would eat them like m&ms if that would make us lose weight.)

I don't remember you mentioning pepcid, but doesn't hurt to ask.


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Re: ultrasound for the heart?/adrenals? SIBO? [Re: MaxaLisa] #171711
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Originally Posted By: PositiveDog
Max doesn't take pepcid or anything like that, does he? My sister's aussie lost a lot of weight while on pepcid during her anemia deficiency illness.

She found out that was the cause (and we joked we would eat them like m&ms if that would make us lose weight.)

I don't remember you mentioning pepcid, but doesn't hurt to ask.


Oh wow, I've never heard that, it's good to know!

No, he's not on anything like that right now, though I've been thinking maybe zantac might help....not that I want to add another drug.

Thinking a change in abx is needed, and that it's that Staph thing going on with his skin.


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Re: ultrasound for the heart?/adrenals? SIBO? [Re: MaxaLisa] #171727
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Fecal, negative.

folate/b-12, negative.

working on a new theory....


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Re: ultrasound for the heart?/adrenals? SIBO? [Re: MaxaLisa] #171787
08/06/11 02:12 AM
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Well crap. I was hoping I could rehome LJ's 6 month supply of enzymes to Max!


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Miss Mila Monster (GSD) 4-14-02

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Lady Jane Cobb (GSD - age 15)
Sasha (Siberian Husky - age 13)
Niko (Siberian Husky - age 14)
Wooly Bear (Siberian Husky - age 13)
Re: ultrasound for the heart?/adrenals? SIBO? [Re: LJsMom] #171827
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He's still using enzymes though smile

His stools are firming up with the tylan, but he isn't feeling any better, really. He has spurts, where he picks up a toy, but it doesn't last. He hasnkt played in weeks frown

This sounds a lot like Max:
http://www.immunedisease.com/about-pi/types-of-pi/common-variable-immunodeficiency-cvid.html


I don't know how you treat immune deficiency, autoimmune, and low cortisol requiring steroids, all at the same time. Lots of abx needed as a start. I am excited about Monday, his first vit C infusion. He will only get the dose for a 20 lb dog to start with, and gradual increases from there. The vet said we should know after the first two treatments if this is really going to help him.


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