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Re: ultrasound for the heart?/adrenals? SIBO? [Re: MaxaLisa] #173514
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Lisa,

Like a lot of people, trends mean something to me and Max's trends for the last several days appear to be stable, overall.

It's really instructive to read your thinking here, like your concern about infection-induced inflammation and the vets' concern about autoimmunity. People argue about this kind of thing in human medicine with many chronic illnesses-MS is a clearly an example-while groping for treatment.

I hope round 2 of vitamin C is therapeutic.

many best wishes,
MJ

Re: ultrasound for the heart?/adrenals? SIBO? [Re: Mary Jane] #173524
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You can also read up on the Marshall protocol - kind of scary, don't know if he's a genius or a nut - for humans. smile

One of the IMOM PINS just got diagnosed with atypical Cushing's. Very interesting - I sent her all the links from here and she was so appreciative.

Re: ultrasound for the heart?/adrenals? SIBO? [Re: Mary Jane] #173582
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Originally Posted By: Mary Jane
Lisa,

Like a lot of people, trends mean something to me and Max's trends for the last several days appear to be stable, overall.

It's really instructive to read your thinking here, like your concern about infection-induced inflammation and the vets' concern about autoimmunity. People argue about this kind of thing in human medicine with many chronic illnesses-MS is a clearly an example-while groping for treatment.

I hope round 2 of vitamin C is therapeutic.

many best wishes,
MJ


Mary Jane, thank you for the well wishes and the thoughts!

We seem to have a pattern, but I don't know if we are really doing anything to arrest the progress of this disease process. I just don't know...I think I see an increased intolerance to exercise, but it's a bit subjective.

I don't know if I found a new piece of the puzzle, or just a new puzzle, but I've found that some Tramadol at night allows hims to settle and rest. I don't know if this is due to pain relief (which is very likely because of his neck), or if it's blunting some type of adrenaline rush: http://medind.nic.in/ibi/t02/i3/ibit02i3p202.pdf On one of the Addison's forums, there are some that think that the low cortisol might be paired with increased adrenaline, which might contribute to this panicky breathing stuff.

So, the bottom line, I'm still VERY confused crazy

(pics to post in a minute!)


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Re: ultrasound for the heart?/adrenals? SIBO? [Re: JeanKBBMMMAAN] #173589
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Originally Posted By: JeanKBBMMMAAN
You can also read up on the Marshall protocol - kind of scary, don't know if he's a genius or a nut - for humans. smile

One of the IMOM PINS just got diagnosed with atypical Cushing's. Very interesting - I sent her all the links from here and she was so appreciative.


Jean, I've heard of the Marshall protocol, but haven't looked at the details....thinking I need to change course a bit here (but not too much!)....

Atypical Cushing's - I tripped over that in my journey here. The Derm here sends bloodwork out to University of Tennessee, I guess they are looking at that a lot, and using flaxseed and melatonin to treat. They might be a resource? That's about all I know, but here are some links, if they are helpful:
A couple articles here: http://www.vet.utk.edu/diagnostic/endocrinology/articles.php
This looks like a commercial site trying to take advantage of the work being done above: http://www.lignans.net/ut-study-canine-adrenal-disorders.html

I asked a question about Max here, I'm just read the response and am still processing it: http://endocrinevet.blogspot.com/2011/04/q-atypical-addisons-disease-in-dogs.html The homeopathic vet thinks that Max should ultimately be able to do with about 2.5mg of pred each day, this guy thinks he doesn't need any, but there is the issue of the low cortisol, and the systemic inflammation that he has.... thinking
Anyway, that blog might be a resource if they have a question!

Last edited by MaxaLisa; 08/16/11 08:37 PM.

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Re: ultrasound for the heart?/adrenals? SIBO? [Re: MaxaLisa] #173590
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hugging I'm glad that he's at least a little more comfortable.


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Re: ultrasound for the heart?/adrenals? SIBO? [Re: MaxaLisa] #173593
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Round 2 of vitamin C infusion!


It was a lot more today, but it took 1/2 the time....Mom finally figured out how to watch the drip and make sure that my arm was positioned right:


I really hate it when she points that flash at me, yikes:


Indy was peeking out and watching us today - you can see her jaw was crooked in the pic when she was a pup, pre-chiropractor. Mom keeps saying she is going to add a last "woof", but I don't think she's been able to face that yet...


It really isn't that bad. My eyes show how much my neck hurts, but the chiro fixed that before we left smile

I do get REALLY thirsty, and have to pee a lot afterwards - Mom is worried I'm going to pee out all the good stuff right away!

But I'd much rather be chillin' at home while she works on the lawn mower!


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Re: ultrasound for the heart?/adrenals? SIBO? [Re: BowWowMeow] #173594
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Originally Posted By: BowWowMeow
hugging I'm glad that he's at least a little more comfortable.


Thanks Ruth! Getting him a good night's sleep has to be a lot better for him too.


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Re: ultrasound for the heart?/adrenals? SIBO? [Re: MaxaLisa] #173623
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The adjustment must have helped Max immensely. He looks much happier in the last picture!


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Re: ultrasound for the heart?/adrenals? SIBO? [Re: LJsMom] #173628
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Lisa - I've been following Max's progress and although never really can reply with some awesome advice, just wanted you to know that Recon and I are always sending healing thoughts to Max smile

He is so handsome!


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Re: ultrasound for the heart?/adrenals? SIBO? [Re: Recon] #173634
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Max, you're a good boy! I hope we see improvements in you soon. Mom takes good care of you, boy.

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Re: ultrasound for the heart?/adrenals? SIBO? [Re: PositiveDog] #173643
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Thank you Recon, Joanne and Bonnie laugh

It's all helpful!

I think I figured out my next step, which will either be a really good thing, or a disaster.....

I did find a reference to one of the tetracyclines causing a hypersensitivity reaction that mimics septic shock. We've kinda tried just about everything else. Since he's on the pred, hopefully, backing off the doxy, won't flair the fistula, which is why he's on the long term doxy.

I know anytime I've taken doxy, I've felt really really crummy....I can't imagine how crummy it might make a person or dog feel after so long frown

Okay, so, the mad scientist is going to start her next experiment crossedfingers


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Re: ultrasound for the heart?/adrenals? SIBO? [Re: MaxaLisa] #173649
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Max does look so happy and content in that last photo. Like nothing is wrong at all. wub

It's so frustrating when there are no clear-cut answers. But I know you'll do your best to help Max. I hope his second infusion of vitamin C helps him feel better soon and that you can figure out a plan of action.


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Re: ultrasound for the heart?/adrenals? SIBO? [Re: MaxaLisa] #173664
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Originally Posted By: MaxaLisa
Okay, so, the mad scientist is going to start her next experiment crossedfingers


I think I see a healthier Max and a shimmering Nobel prize in the distance.

OK, I'm sure if you see a path, it's a good one.

crossedfingers

MJ

Re: ultrasound for the heart?/adrenals? SIBO? [Re: Mary Jane] #173757
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Such a good boy wub And with your Mum and beloved Indy watching over you, you are in great hands dear Max. Keeping fingers and paws crossed here that the Vit C starts to make a big difference. hugging


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Re: ultrasound for the heart?/adrenals? SIBO? [Re: bianca] #173991
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How are Max and Lisa today?

MJ

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