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Re: ultrasound for the heart?/adrenals? SIBO? [Re: Woodreb] #172264
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You are such a good brave boy Max wub


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Re: ultrasound for the heart?/adrenals? SIBO? [Re: Woodreb] #172268
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What a good boy, Max. I really hope this works for you!


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Re: ultrasound for the heart?/adrenals? SIBO? [Re: Woodreb] #172271
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Good boy Max - may the force be with you.

(he is soooo handsome and that's saying something because I am a black dog kind of girl)

Re: ultrasound for the heart?/adrenals? SIBO? [Re: JeanKBBMMMAAN] #172282
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Lisa, last night I was looking into the preserving agents of my dads eye medications (timolol, combigan and alphagan) because he is having side effects.

Anywhoo, the various eye drops that Max has, are any of those and their additives on his allergic list? Are any of them beta-blockers?

I'm trying to re-find it but I thought I read something about adrenal glands (it was late). I will try and look for it. But was wondering and after reading Skyes thread it got me thinking about Max.


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Re: ultrasound for the heart?/adrenals? SIBO? [Re: JeanKBBMMMAAN] #172285
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Originally Posted By: JeanKBBMMMAAN
(he is soooo handsome and that's saying something because I am a black dog kind of girl)


We thank you so much for that!!

Max thanks everyone for the great support, and compliments smile


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Re: ultrasound for the heart?/adrenals? SIBO? [Re: bianca] #172286
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Originally Posted By: bianca
Lisa, last night I was looking into the preserving agents of my dads eye medications (timolol, combigan and alphagan) because he is having side effects.

Anywhoo, the various eye drops that Max has, are any of those and their additives on his allergic list? Are any of them beta-blockers?

I'm trying to re-find it but I thought I read something about adrenal glands (it was late). I will try and look for it. But was wondering and after reading Skyes thread it got me thinking about Max.


You know, he had quite a few issues with two of his eye meds. I was avoiding the pred drops because he used to react to those, but now it seems like pred is the right drug for him.

I will have to look at the other ingredients, but I think we have the right eye meds now, but I definitely will double check the bottle.

I think his adrenals have been messed up since he was young - and I have to wonder if there was a head/neck injury in there as a cause somewhere. A chiropractic adjustment to his atlas, right under his skull, used to stop his panting episodes temporarily. Weird, huh?


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Re: ultrasound for the heart?/adrenals? SIBO? [Re: MaxaLisa] #172288
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Beta-blockers (In eye meds)

5.6 Potentiation of Muscle Weakness
Beta-adrenergic blockade has been reported to potentiate muscle weakness consistent with certain myasthenic
symptoms (e.g., diplopia, ptosis, and generalized weakness). Timolol has been reported rarely to increase
muscle weakness in some patients with myasthenia gravis or myasthenic symptoms.

http://www.allergan.com/assets/pdf/combigan_pi.pdf

Probably leading up the garden path but thought I would mention it. I just skimmed the pages I found and I think I was wrong re: adrenals, seems to mention hyperthroid not adrenal. Sorry.


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Re: ultrasound for the heart?/adrenals? SIBO? [Re: bianca] #172299
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All garden paths are welcome wink

Interesting about the myasthenia link. Doxy can make this worse, which makes me afraid that doxy could be implicated in this, but really really bad things happen when he's not on doxycycline.

Max does get the droopy eyelid sometimes (ptosis)...I will definitely check on the eye drops.


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Re: ultrasound for the heart?/adrenals? SIBO? [Re: MaxaLisa] #172315
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Sending lots of love to Max!!! wub


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Re: ultrasound for the heart?/adrenals? SIBO? [Re: MaxaLisa] #172317
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What a good boy he is - he looks quite the movie star on that table. Best wishes that this helps him stabilise. hugging


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Re: ultrasound for the heart?/adrenals? SIBO? [Re: Qyn] #172320
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I love the pictures of him getting the infusion. He looks so stoic. smile


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Re: ultrasound for the heart?/adrenals? SIBO? [Re: MaxaLisa] #172323
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Lisa, I thought of something which probably means nothing, but you and Bianca spoke of eye meds, droopy eyelids and you said something about the dilation of blood vessels- made me think of horners syndrome- which is a disorder of the sympathetic nervous system and the parasympathetic system

http://ezinearticles.com/?Horners-Syndrome-in-Dogs&id=3984637

I hope Max improves soon!


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Re: ultrasound for the heart?/adrenals? SIBO? [Re: Natalie559] #172346
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Just checking in with the hope that Max and Lisa got some rest.

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Re: ultrasound for the heart?/adrenals? SIBO? [Re: Mary Jane] #172356
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Max was doing so well yesterday, but a bit of a downturn during the night. I think it might be the pred - I didn't give the dose the night before, trying to wean him down to morning only.


Natalie, thanks for that. I have been wracking my brain why scullcap is such a magical herb for him, and it must be that nervous system component that is contributing to his breathing, similar to what that link is suggesting.

I did a further search on Horner's, since this really I think is similar after reading that, and I fear this is more sinister than it might even appear. The most obvious thought is that infection has spread to his nervous system frown , which is what I believe happened to Indy. Or it could be something in his spine, and I would predict base of skull or that whole neck, , whithers, shoulder area (thoracic outlet?). I have had my back stuck in a certain way that gave me panic attacks - weird how a quick adjustment made that go away. Long ago, an adjustment did work on Max, but I guess things have advanced.

Will have to think about this, not too many options when it's in the nervous system. Hopefully the homeopathic vet will help with that.

Last edited by MaxaLisa; 08/09/11 06:44 PM.

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Re: ultrasound for the heart?/adrenals? SIBO? [Re: MaxaLisa] #172401
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Been busy today and it's hot!

Seems the most of the human pharmacies have prednisolone on backorder??? Anyway, had to pick up pred and a script for prednisolone.

Picked up folate/B-12 results. Both normal, folate mid-range, B-1e low normal in the bottom 1/4 percentile. So I'll add more of his liquid B-12, hoping that he's absorbing some. Rules out SIBO, but not other systemic infections (still thinking tick issues here, and that really could explain about all of this, in addition to the standard GSD immune system).

Picked up the report from the internal medicine guy. Rule outs, according to him, are:
SIBO,
Inflammatory enteropathy or lymphoma,
Pulmonary fibrosis,
Pulmonary hypertension, and
Chronic bronchitis.

I would think that the ultrasound would rule out GI lymphoma, since, if it's causing these symptoms, they should be able to see something? I will have to ask that.

Sibo, technically ruled out, but I don't doubt there are "things" he is carrying that are bad, thus the response to abx.

I emailed the cardiologist earlier and she ruled out the pulmonary hypertension.

Not much I would (or could) do differently, but I will have to look at the bronchitis issue. I want to explore that nervous system thing too. I have one other idea, but have to look at finances - I've already spent the state tax refund and my credit card refund points wink .

There is still time for some miracles here...I am still hopeful about the vit C infusions and the homeopathic vet will have his workup soon.


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Max, 5/2001-2/2012, RIP my partner, my Regal Boy
Indy, 5/1997-10/2010, RIP my friend, my teacher

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