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Re: Let's Talk About What You Feed Puppies... [Re: Kibblelady] #168113
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Originally Posted By: Kibblelady
I have a question for those feed both NB and Cali Nat... I have always noticed that both of these foods are a lot lower in protein/fat content but know a few of the formulations have over 500kcals per cup... this confuses me and has never seemed to add up in terms of what one would expect when looking at a guaranteed analysis. Has anyone had issues with having pups or active dogs on these lower protein foods? Does anyone know what the kcal amounts are of the formulations they are feeding?

Thanks,
Cherri


Nope, never had any issues with them. They formulate them specifically that way to be easier on the gut, but still have good ingredients in them.

Elsa has been on straight NB off and on quite a bit before. She trains regularily pretty hard and has NEVER had issues on it with energy.

But I do think there are BETTER foods to feed dogs if you don't NEED an LID. If your dog DOES need a LID....they are wonderul.

Last edited by GSDElsa; 07/16/11 03:33 AM.

J, mom to:
- Elsa - BrightStar Rescue - "Da Pookins"
- Medo - "The Beast From The East"

Re: Let's Talk About What You Feed Puppies... [Re: GSDElsa] #168153
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I was just doing some more reading on the calcium thing:
http://www.lgd.org/library/Optimal%20feeding%20of%20large%20breed%20puppies.pdf

http://www.newmanveterinary.com/large.html

https://www.msu.edu/~silvar/hips.htm

I use the LID for the first months, usually going from CA Natural to Pinnacle and then on to grain frees.

Here is the CA Natural Herring: http://www.californianaturalpet.com/products/default.asp?panel=na&id=1326
Protein 21.065 %
Fat 11.677
Omega 3 1.587 %
Fiber 3.657 %
Calcium 0.999 %
419 kcal/cup (4.3 oz = 1 cup)
Herring
Barley
Oatmeal
Herring Meal
Herring Oil
Sunflower Oil
Sweet Potatoes

So not real meaty/proteiny but for a while...it seems to help them keep a nice steady growth, good stools, calm stomachs?

Re: Let's Talk About What You Feed Puppies... [Re: JeanKBBMMMAAN] #168822
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I now know why people get headaches looking for puppy food! I'm looking for a mid range food for my sister's new lab puppy. Single income so not top of the line and not bottom of the barrel. Any suggestions in the $40 range?

Re: Let's Talk About What You Feed Puppies... [Re: LifeAsMe] #168859
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Well, I love those California Naturals foods for puppies - or the Pinnacle if the right calcium levels. I think they are in that range?

I posted a sticky on puppy food on .com

Part of it - probably will not format well. I used the article Lisa posted above too.
6. Consider not feeding a food with so many ingredients to very young puppies and introduce new ones over time, similar to feeding babies: Adaptation to the Diet (link is above)

7. Calcium information - note that they are not talking ratio but calcium number and are not talking protein amounts but keeping large puppies LEAN:
http://www.lgd.org/library/Optimal%2...%20puppies.pdf

https://www.msu.edu/~silvar/hips.htm

Large Breed Puppy Diet Recommendations Be sure to read it all as it talks about energy as well.
Quote:

1. Calcium: The ideal calcium content, on a dry weight basis is 0.7%-1.2%-. AAFCO recommendation is 1%-2.5% which is generally acceptable though not ideal; however, for giantbreeds, such as the Great Dane, the lower end of this range is especially recommended. It is believed that calcium in excess of 3% on a dry weight basis can predispose to significant skeletal abnormalities, such as those mentioned above. Keep in mind, also, that adding of vitamins, particularly Vitamin D, will also increase absorption of dietary calcium (to possibly excessive levels).

Sources of Vitamin D would likely include the sun?
Ester C also has calcium in it.
Check vitamins or supplements if you give them, for calcium.

Re: Let's Talk About What You Feed Puppies... [Re: JeanKBBMMMAAN] #190256
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Reviving this helpful thread. I searched and searched for a list of premium foods that list the foods by Calcium content, and I couldn't find one. So I chomped through the nutrient analysis of

a) the foods listed on http://www.dogfoodanalysis.com/ From there:

Innova Dry Puppy Food has 1.07% Ca, and the adult Innova dry foods around 1.2%.
http://www.dogfoodanalysis.com/dog_food_reviews/showproduct.php/product/2287

Wellness Super5Mix Large Breed Puppy has "Calcium Not Less Than 1.0%
Calcium Not More Than 1.40%"
http://www.dogfoodanalysis.com/dog_food_reviews/showproduct.php/product/2205

b) the Natura foods at the Natura page http://www.naturapet.com/ and found none of them in the recommended range of 0.7% to 1.2% Ca. They are around 2% and more.

Would anyone have comments, recommendations, experience with these foods? Thanks!


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Re: Let's Talk About What You Feed Puppies... [Re: shepnterrier] #190464
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Found this helpful:

"Nutrition and Skeletal Health in Dogs – Relationship of Nutrition to Developmental Skeletal Disease in Young Dogs" by Daniel C. Richardson Phillip W. Toll
http://www.joint-health-for-dogs.com/nutrition-dogs.html

Summary:
http://www.dogster.com/forums/Food_and_Nutrition/thread/663911


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Captain Jack, Mama Blue, Little Orca, Bübchen, Tux, Cherub (pocket lions)

Re: Let's Talk About What You Feed Puppies... [Re: shepnterrier] #190500
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That's what I bought, Innova Large Breed Puppy, with 0.9% Ca:
http://www.dogfoodanalysis.com/dog_food_reviews/showproduct.php?product=2281&cat=all


Sarah
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Captain Jack, Mama Blue, Little Orca, Bübchen, Tux, Cherub (pocket lions)

Re: Let's Talk About What You Feed Puppies... [Re: shepnterrier] #190845
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Originally Posted By: shepnterrier
Found this helpful:

"Nutrition and Skeletal Health in Dogs – Relationship of Nutrition to Developmental Skeletal Disease in Young Dogs" by Daniel C. Richardson Phillip W. Toll
http://www.joint-health-for-dogs.com/nutrition-dogs.html

Summary:
http://www.dogster.com/forums/Food_and_Nutrition/thread/663911


Authors' credentials:
http://www.k-state.edu/media/mediaguide/bios/drichardsonbio.html
Veterinarian and nutrition specialist, his career mostly at Hill's Science Diet (hm). That is also where the co-author is acc. to his publications in veterinary journals.


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Captain Jack, Mama Blue, Little Orca, Bübchen, Tux, Cherub (pocket lions)

Re: Let's Talk About What You Feed Puppies... [Re: shepnterrier] #190892
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I have fed Wellness a couple times. Or attempted to feed it. I've decided there is something that doesn't agree with GSD tummies in it. Or at least something that the GSD's that come through my house. I tried to give it to 2 fosters and Medo. All had the runs on it. Booo!


J, mom to:
- Elsa - BrightStar Rescue - "Da Pookins"
- Medo - "The Beast From The East"

Re: Let's Talk About What You Feed Puppies... [Re: GSDElsa] #190929
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Wellness didn't work for Halo either. She did fabulous on Orijen LBP - figures, since it's so expensive!


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Re: Let's Talk About What You Feed Puppies... [Re: Cassidy's Mom] #191014
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I've tried the Wellness Core for my adult dogs and while they didn't get the runs, they had room clearing gas on it.

I may have used the one of the other Wellness formulas for Caleb when he was a puppy and he was generally OK on it.

(Isn't this helpful, Sarah - telling you things that didn't work? laugh )

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Re: Let's Talk About What You Feed Puppies... [Re: Woodreb] #191158
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Johanna - Dante had room clearing gas on Wellness Core as well, I finally decided it was the 'taters


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Re: Let's Talk About What You Feed Puppies... [Re: Barb E] #191453
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I've used other grain free kibbles that have 'taters in them without a problem. For my guys, I was suspecting flaxseed. If I stay away from that in the food, they don't have a problem.


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Re: Let's Talk About What You Feed Puppies... [Re: Woodreb] #194531
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I changed Riva's food again. She has been on Canidae Beef and Fish but has been itchy lately. I had planned on putting her on grain-free in a few months, but decided to do it now, in case it is allergies. She'll be 1 yo in a few weeks. (Although the itchies could be from dryness in the house since we've started the heat recently) Started the switch over to Wellness Core a few days ago. The calcium and phosphorous are not bad at all for grain-free. And do I still need to be concerned about that since she seems to have stopped growing, or if she still is, it's not very apparent.

Now I see the posts about Wellness Core and gas. So far no problems and no change in poop or anything else.


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Re: Let's Talk About What You Feed Puppies... [Re: AgilePaws] #194586
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crossedfingers Hope the Wellness Core continues to agree with Riva.


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RIP Aodhán, Rica, Max, Kelly - gone but never forgotten - forever in my heart
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